associate, was a person of independent thinking, and the people who created the theater at that time, kropivnytskyihimer, holt, whoever in that space were independent thinkers, eventually they ran out, it came down to the officials, in the west it wasn't like that, in the west you could see, eventually see when you walk around the stages of the avignon festival or the festival in edinburgh, and you are an actor or director, i'm not even talking about the audience, you see dozens of different practices, hundreds, dozens, and then it crystallizes in you how you can do things in your own way, and the range of your thinking. you live in kyiv and everything you see is the same, as a child i went only to the performances of the tbilisi and yerevan theaters that came to kyiv, because i was bored by the monotony of the kyiv and moscow theaters, the south caucasus had its own style, archaic, but your style of presentation of the play, then you are not brought up as an author, actually in europe after the second world war it is very interesting... it began trend, choreographers, artists began to come to the