>> guest: kruchina, and all of the... c-span: those are the three suicides, but you say that they may not have been suicides? >> guest: well, you know, it's very strange. we tend to believe absolutely everything that comes out of the soviet union at face value, and one of the things i've had to learn just traveling there is that it's often best to look just a little bit beyond what you see because it isn't necessarily what you get. if you'll allow me to digress here for a second, that's the case with baklanov. when that coup took place and baklanov's name was published along with the head of the kgb and the head of internal ministry, that's pugo and who's this guy? we've never heard of him. so they all assumed that baklanov was the least important of the group. in the soviet context, the guy who is the least visible is often the guy who's the most important. they put, you know, the front people out there, and then the real power sits behind, the "gray cardinal." i knew this. i knew that frequently, the most powerful peopl