>> stahl: what about statements ksm made during the water- boarding?any evidence obtained through harsh interrogation techniques is inadmissible. but there's a loophole. >> martins: it is possible for a voluntary statement to be made after a passage of time at... in a different location, perhaps with different questioners. >> stahl: and so, once the cia's harsh interrogations of the five 9/11 defendants stopped, the fbi sent in a so-called "clean team" to question them all over again, but without coercion. and those statements are admissible. >> bormann: it's like alice going down the rabbit hole, right? you torture him for three years. you keep him in captivity after you stop torturing him in a place like guantanamo bay. and then, you send in agents from the same government that tortured him for three years to take statements. and then, if you're general martins, you say, "well, those are now clean." guess what. they're not. >> martins: i understand, i understand the argument. the people do not forfeit their chance for accountability because someone m