ticket but my interest in this story, she's one of the first to talk about the arrival of the ku klux klan and the most formidable. when you think about the ku klux klan, probably talk about the origins of the clan in american history after the civil war, forming the effort to stop african-americans in their quest for freedom. you see the published in harper's weekly in 1974 showing the clan there. on the left is another white supremacist organization and you can see the words worse than slavery. we associate them with a moment of freedom with foundations in the south and the terror that promulgated across the south. my concern is the second clan of the 1920s that became particularly strong in the midwest. you might remember the clan was popular in ohio and indiana but was also strong in california and 1921, that year the clan arrived in downtown los angeles and the california eagle ran front page headlines showing shall we entertain the clan and what should we do about the arrival, talking about the dangers of the clan held in downtown los angeles in 1924. and while the strength of this p

he said i remember the ku klux klan. i started laughing at him. i know a lot about the klan. when i was laughing he went into his pocket and flipped through it and handed me his clan -- k lan membership card. and i said this is for real and i stopped laughing and i gave it back. i wondered why am i sitting here with a klansman. the man was friendly and curious about me. we talked and chatted about the klan and he gave me his phone number to call him whenever i came there. host: did you call him? caller: i called him every six weeks and whenever the band was there. host: you pointed this out, your interest in the klan starts before you met him. what started that? guest: what prompted it was how could somebody go so far as to join an organization with over a 100 year history of practicing hating people who don't look like them and don't leave as they believe? i have just about every book written on the klan. i studied racism on my own. i have books on lack supremacy -- black supremacy and white supremacy. how can you hate somebody when you don't even know them? so now i had thi

believe that trump, in bringing a new energy to the realization of the vastness of the reach of the ku klux klanas been out of our basic purview of thought. the ku klux klan, for some of us, is a constant -- has a constant existence. it isn't until it touches certain aspects of white america that white america all of the sudden wakes up to the fact that there is something called the klan and that it does its mischief. what causes me to have great thought is something that's most unique to my experience. and as i said earlier tonight, at the doorstep of being 90 years of age, i had thought i had seen it all and done it all, only to find out that at 89, i knew nothing. but the most peculiar thing to me has been the absence of a black presence in the middle of this resistance, not just the skirmishes that we've seen in ferguson and black lives matter -- and i think those protests and those voices being raised are extremely important. [applause] but we blew this thing a long time ago. when they started the purge against communism in this country and against the voice of those who saw hope in a desig

the famous silent film glorifying the ku klux klan came out during. the time that hoover was in college. and kappa alpha, in its alumni network also had an enormous concentration of southern democrats who had come to washington in many of them to serve in the wilson administration, who spent a lot of time hanging out at the chapter house with the younger college boys. these are some images from the history of kappa alpha. that's birth of a nation and the klansmen are up there on the top. that's a picture from the 1950s when kappa alpha became instrumental in popularizing the confederate flag. once again as a symbol in part of southern white resistance to civil rights and as you can see from this document over here, this is hoover being honored by the fraternity in 1966. he remained a lifetime supporter of and with with involvement in in kappa alpha. so i think these two elements coming out of the city of washington, his educational experiences have really shaped hoover. and he then happened to graduate into you federal service in a key moment in ameri

acts which congress passed to enforce the 15th amendment and protect from actions groups like the ku klux klan. and he vigorous fully enforce these laws and effectively disrupt. did the klan in the south with this and with his enforcement of the 14th and 15th amendments grant more to protect and defend civil rights of african-americans than any other president for almost a century until you get to the presidency of lyndon. he was also a genuine only nice guy. he was an amiable man who was willing to admit his mistakes. in fact, despite what you may have heard recently, us grant was the first u.s. president to be arrested. he was arrested for speeding. he loved horses. he loved to race his carriage. and a cop literally pulled him over. in 1872. now, what does he do does he say, do you know who i am? no, he said, no, you got me fair and square. he laughs. he smiles. he pays fine. he acknowledged his fault. and it's not to like someone who does that in fact, he at the very end of his, he publicly apologized for his administration. some historians think every president should publicly apologize fo

as a lynching, cross burning, terrible terrorist organization like the ku klux klan.t and say, the southern poverty law center said it, so it must be true? that is horrific! absolutely unacceptable. you know what else is on acceptable? those parents that rightly said the fake people, according to the antifa with masks. he says they will be gone an hour, but you school board members, you will remain, therefore i will vote you out. he was a graduate of the same school in 96, that's our generation, five seconds ago. how quickly it has devolved, to see what we watch there which was an elderly woman, he saw her with a bun, she was on her knees getting up from having been thrown to the floor. and watch a young antifa person, run over and pushed her before the cop got to her. that is appalling! that is 2020, joe biden is america, do not stand for them and do not let this bullying, this characterization take root. these are not terrorists, these are parents! >> well said. amen to that! doctor siegel, there's a really scary moment played out on msnbc. this is an ex fbi agent.

and people came and talked about her standing up against the ku klux klan and, you know, so that was kind of in the family, which i thought just, you know, more generally is this history of resistance that gets passed on to oral tradition through other ways. that's what my you know, had in our family. you also push back against patriarchy in your book. and you point out the contributions of women, the centrality of women in a number of struggles, including some of the most recent ones around george floyd and the in covid. and so on and so forth of why how did you basically avoid that trap, that so many historians fall into, including some of the individuals i mentioned earlier in their ad, their adulation of of of andrew jackson, for example, of following not falling into the trap of of seeing history as a sideways where you place men at this high level with women are often a sidekicks. we've saw that for a long time with coretta scott king and martin luther king. and i had a chance to work with my editor recently on a piece looking at coretta scott king's of contributions to to the

. >> juju: but leo frank's case also led to a resurgence of the ku klux klan. >> in the year that leo: although he was pardoned posthumously, all these years later, there's still work to be done. >> seeing the commuted show up and be ready to receive it. >> juju: as for what is next, he says it will be rooted in the here and now. >> i am going to work on my new outfit. hopefully i will get to tour that. anytime i get to spend time as a character like leo frank, it is a chance for me to express my own perspective. >> juju: you are quite literally living the dream. >> not quite. [laughter] >> byron: our thanks to juju. if you or someone you know has struggled with thoughts of suicide, call or text to the national lifeline at 988. you are not alone. coming up, orange haze. the smoke from canadian wildfires smothering much of the northeast. ♪ ♪ i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. thanks to skyrizi, i'm on my way with clearer skin. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions and an inc

track groups like the ku klux klan, neo-nazis, other white supremacist groups. you're tracking a group that calls itself moms for liberty. what does that say to you about how extremist groups haveged eie changed their tactics over time? susan: what we have seen is a change in the composition of the hard right since -- before trump was in office, but particularly when he was in office. these hard right groups really had access to mainstream politics. they had direct access to the white house. so they really gained influence, you know, in the wake of the insurrection. they had to change tactics. and so they started moving to take the mainstreaming and the political influence that they were able to gain within the republican party. they took it to the local level. and they have defined school boards and public education as one of their new battlefields. john: what can be done in your view? what should be done in response to groups like this and to combat groups like this? are there policy changes you'd like to see? susan: one thing that we really recommend, is that

he has been supportive of the grand dragon of the ku klux klan. he and kamala harris has put more black people in prison then had. -- then donald trump ever has. they have destroyed this country. they are taking because places we have never been before with their climate change and their illegal immigration. host: we say -- who are you referring to with the ku klux klan? caller: biden gave his eulogy and hilary said he was idle. host: senator robert burns? caller: correct. host: jack on the republican line. caller: the think joe biden in claims he created a hundred thousand jobs. the vast majority of jobs that have come back with created under donald trump and loss during covid. these jobs are just being renewed. they are not creating new jobs. as far as the deficit, joe biden inflation reduction act did not reduce inflation. check the cbo. they came up with that. everything joe is saying you he did, has already been done a he is just redoing get. look at the number of illegal immigrants in the country. we have over 6 million that come in from 140

he has been supportive of the grand dragon of the ku klux klan. he and kamala harris has put more black people in prison then had. -- then donald trump ever has. they have destroyed this country. they are taking because places we have never been before with their climate change and their illegal immigration. host: we say -- who are you referring to with the ku klux klan? caller: biden gave his eulogy and hilary said he was idle. host: senator robert burns? caller: correct. host: jack on the republican line. caller: the think joe biden in claims he created a hundred thousand jobs. the vast majority of jobs that have come back with created under donald trump and loss during covid. these jobs are just being renewed. they are not creating new jobs. as far as the deficit, joe biden inflation reduction act did not reduce inflation. check the cbo. they came up with that. everything joe is saying you he did, has already been done a he is just redoing get. look at the number of illegal immigrants in the country. we have over 6 million that come in from 140

after the civil war the democrat party formed a group called the c ku klux klan.their generals did. we have a period of segregation to plessy versus ferguson, a private rail company in louisiana that wants to allow blacks to ride with writes, what said no? the democrat party, separate but equal? the democrat party. cigarsegregated school, the democrat party, jim crow, literacy tests, the democrat party, i could go on,. today it has sort of switched position, of american marxism, doing great of grave damage to the country, i am calling them out in a way that is substantive, and brutal. if we're saving this nation, i mean it, the democrat party must not just be defeated, it must could obliteratedded. is that provocative? no, they are. and so, i want to read this to you. this comes out of the box out of a book that i wrote, the democrat party hates america, it has never embraced americanism. promoting racism. enshrining racism. they used to be a party of women's rights, now they hate women, with transgenderrism and destroying women's sports under title ix. and citize

for the benefit of our viewers and listeners, 1969 clarence brind'amour, the ku klux klan in ohio basically was shut down from engaging in this speech under a particular statute in the books. he appealed and gets to the supreme court and the supreme court creates a two-part test with respect to the line between vile speech and transition toward a segment toward violence. and that's essentially what pfizer was referencing so i'm curious, it's been a long time for even since, a chance to talk about that but this line between speech and action, how often did that come up. >> thinking on this, one that goes back to operational counterterrorism working on cases that went before foreign intelligence and one that i think is really relevant to today's domestic security threat environment so on prior, first amendment issue was constantly top of mind lawyers at the justice department working with agents and analysts that went to the courts and by the court application includes investigation and attorney general guidelines only operations continue caveat that the investigation and continued into surve

for the benefit of our viewers and listeners, 1969 clarence brind'amour, the ku klux klan in ohio basically was shut down from engaging in this speech under a particular statute in the books. he appealed and gets to the supreme court and the supreme court creates a two-part test with respect to the line between vile speech and transition toward a segment toward violence. and that's essentially what pfizer was referencing so i'm curious, it's been a long time for even since, a chance to talk about that but this line between speech and action, how often did that come up. >> thinking on this, one that goes back to operational counterterrorism working on cases that went before foreign intelligence and one that i think is really relevant to today's domestic security threat environment so on prior, first amendment issue was constantly top of mind lawyers at the justice department working with agents and analysts that went to the courts and by the court application includes investigation and attorney general guidelines only operations continue caveat that the investigation and continued into surve

when the ku klux klan was again reasserting itself. and the birth of a nation had just been shown a little bit prior to that in the house. meanwhile, the tulsa massacre resulted in property damage as to what made it to anywhere between $25,000,100 million in today's dollars, representing a tremendous loss of wealth for tulsa's black community, a loss that was compounded with each succeeding generation as the of the white mob that looted greenwood's businesses and homes have had the to build on the wealth of their ancestors including stolen wealth. many black survivors and their descendants have been able to recoup the wealth that the white mob destroyed or stole during the massacre in the massacres. immediate, the city passed a restrictive local to block rebuilding efforts. while this ordinance was ultimately struck down by the oklahoma supreme. in the decades since, practices like redlining and urban rule policies have prevented black tulsans from reestablishing a thriving community. expressways by federal governments literally cut th

through a state where the government, including the governor of the state, would controlled by the ku klux klan, the 1920s were a horribly divisive period in the united states. we've always argued over the role of immigration in country. we have always been fearful about the future. you know. do you really think that the people looking into the great depression were without anxiety or or, you know, the it's not new. we've economic trouble with the world always been a dangerous place. the united states has never sure exactly what our place in the world should be. so you see these arguments playing out in his life and what does that tell charlie? what does it tell me that we got through them before and we're going to get through them again. and the reason we're going to get through them again is because we're a whole nation of charlie. whether we're up or down on a particular day. we're people who get work and try to solve problems. we don't let perfect become the enemy of the good. and and so that's why i think it's the right book at the right time, because we are going to get through going on n

the democrat party and informs its policies is no more subtle than the anti-black racism of the ku klux klan. but it doesn't emanate from the fevers swamp of america's backwater regions. it has been manufactured and promoted in the editorial rooms the new york times, the boardroom as the pulitzer foundation, the offices of the teacher unions and the faculties of our universities and schools, which makes far more dangerous is to ominous results. we now have a serious of recruitment in our military because the secretary of defense, lloyd austin, and the chairman, the joint chiefs general mark milley, are anti-white racists who have made the demonization of white america a core element of training. our system of justice is also in by this anti-white racism. we have just appointed anti-white racist to the u.s. supreme court who is an ideologue that she can't tell what a woman is. she's been appointed to a position whose only job is to defend the constitution. but she is a believer in critical race theory which maintains that the constitution a document that does contain the word white, is a whit

fact, 13 years ago next month, biden as vice president eulogized former exotic siclops of the ku klux klan bird, who wound up being a long-serving senator of the united states, if that doesn't exemplify how far the u.s. has come in terms of fighting racism, i don't know what does. that is joe biden, he doesn't compliment republicans and great diversity, instead biden and his cronies choose to create and foster hate, distrust, for no other reason than hanging on to power. and telling, not just black americans, but all americans of color, that they are there to protect them. they haven't protected them. they lost tens of thousands of migrant children, children of color and john cornyn, is talking about the spike in reports to hhs of abuse, negligent and child trafficking about because they loosened their requirements for sponsors of child migrants. they are working in meat packing processing plants, where is biden protecting children of color? he's not, he doesn't care about children of color or any of it. he cares about power. >> kayleigh: right, the democratic version of compassion, that i

for the benefit of our viewers and listeners in 1969, clarence brandonberg, a member of the ku klux klan in ohio, basically was shut down from engaging in his kind of speech under a statute that had been on the books. long story short, he appealed and it gets to the supreme court and the supreme court creates a two-part test with respect to, you know, this line between just really vile speech and an actual transition towards an imminent insightment to violence. and -- incitement to violence. and that's what i think faiz wafrbgs was in-- faiza was indirectly referencing here. to the extent that you can recall, and i know it's been a long time, or even since you've been a justice, if you've had a chance to think about that particular issue, but at least a justice when you were there, this issue, this line between speech and action, how often did that come up? i'm curious. carrie: so thinking -- two thoughts on this. one which goes back to my days as an operational counterterrorism lawyer, working on cases that went before the foreign intelligence surveillance court, and then one that i thi

i mean, i think a lot of those listening think of the ku klux klan as a secret domestic terror organization that rampaged in the south after the emancipation and during reconstruction. but, jill, you're talking about the revival of the klan as a national organization and and an organization that was was open and and members of the klan were known to the public. members of the klan actually ran for political office in states like indiana and michigan. and perhaps new york as well. and so this is the revival of the klan. and there are photos of a klan parade of, you know, just sort of, you know, masses of klan members and their full regalia, their hoods and robes, marching through washington, dc in the 1920s. and of course, the klan, you know, that sort of revival of the klan decline. and due to political scandal and, you know, i guess during world war two, we were trying to sort of pull together the nation was fighting for the survival of democracy against a dictatorship, you know, nazi dictatorship that was predicated on aryan supremacy. so there was kind of an anti-racist thrust to the fig

. >> reporter: fort benning, named after a charter member of the ku klux klan, has already changed tore. he was the commander of american troops in the first head-to-head battle against the north vietnamese. she forever changed the impersonal system which sent "regret to inform you" telegrams to families of the fallen. >> julia moore saw this happening and she said not on my watch, i will personally deliver that telegram and i will put my arms around that family member. >> reporter: it's not just base names. it's all the confederate memorials and artifacts strewn across u.s. military installations. >> were you surprised at the degree to which confederate memorabilia is embedded in the army culture? >> i was surprised. there were hundreds of things that need to change. there's lee gate and lee housing area and lee barracks at west point. >> some people are going to say you are erasing history. >> the battles that lee fought in will still be studied. so we're not erasing history. what we are doing is commemorating the right leaders. >> we're not going to end racism in one fell swoop. bu

perhaps to overcome the stigma of having been a ku klux klan hebb and that coming out -- member and that comes out just after he's appointed to the court undeniably, he charted an egalitarian path to our constitutional law. and by the late 1940s, really was becoming the leading civil liberties justice. and was that for most of the rest of his career. so i think he's also very important. but i have two children. i don't pick favorite children. i look at these justices and think really it is an all-star team. it is quite a talented roster with almost no exception. >> ralph, put your money on it, ralph. >> i would say black also. it is interesting that roosevelt claimed later and probably true, he was blindsided. he didn't really do his homework on black and his klan membership, although it ended up pretty irrelevant based on the direction he took on the court. but, you know, it was also interesting that there was this deal to appoint joe robinson to the vacancy after -- retired. and robinson, of course, was carrying the president's water all through the court-packing case. he was the senat

>> ainsley: and your organization, that has the word "moms" in right up there with the ku klux klan theyer that this had happened because i wanted her to know she is 18 and you know, she goes oh my gosh, mom they have you on the page with the united skin head nation. what is that? this is the level of absurdity that we have come to. we just finished some national polling, ainsley, what we are see something that 70% of parents believe that education in america is on the wrong track. and so i think we're a threat because we are bringing people together across party lines, across racial lines, across religious lines all these ways that people seem to want to divide us in america and, you know, parents have that commonality. we have fundamental parental rights. >> ainsley: tiffany vivek headlined my my privilege to join favorite hate group and extremist group and then he said this about the department of education. >> parents determine the education of our children. that's a hard truth in america. we do not want the federal government involved in education at all. that's why as a presidentia