kucinich talks about the fact that the economy is dying right now. it is dying.ed job creation. and we republicans have a much different idea of what needs to be done. the private economy needs to be freed up. government right now is suffocating through regulations and taxes the small businessmen and women in this country who create jobs. these are big, passionate disagreements we have and i just want to tell all of our americans, you know, get ready. we've got battles to come and this is important stuff. >> well hopefully everyone in congress, and i'm sure the american people will feel that way, will remember the spirit of gabrielle giffords and the next round of arguments will be more civil. thanks to both of you for being on this morning. congressman joe walsh, congressman dennis kucinich. we'll be back with more after this. hey, the new guy is loaded with protein! really? 25 grams of protein. what do we have? all four of us, together? 24. he's low fat, too, and has 5 grams of sugars. i'll believe it when i--- [ both ] oooooh... what's shakin'? [ female announ

kucinich said this, that, and the other thing. but the street. wall street is in a free fall. a free fall. >> this isn't going to put people back to work. where are the jobs boehner. >> bill: you know, you and i are in parallel universe. when did john boehner become president of the united states. >> he said in front of congress we are going to put people back to work. that's what he said he was going to do. >> bill: you just said where are the jobs mr. boehner? he is the speaker of the house. >> wait a minute, because the house was going to elect all these republicans. >> i want to know, guys. >> where is the budget? >> acquitted himself with the president. is he -- he thinks is he the president. he thinks he is running the country. >> bill: you are really rod serlg. that's how really are. >> yeah. i'm rodder serlg. >> give us the outer limits music and we are good. no budget there. obama a party going on tomorrow night. >> a party how dare he? >> well, every wednesday, every night, vacations. >> that's ridiculous. >> americans are wondering if the backseat of their car is go

because protecting civilians is clearly not seems to have been the only goal congressman dennis kucinich of ohio he is one who is asking in a recent article if cia was involved in planning regime change back when protests broke out in benghazi before that and did the cia have a role in fomenting what was essentially a civil war we're going to talk about that is jack rice he's a journalist and a former cia officer himself thank you for being with us so my first question to you is you know we heard congressman kucinich ask did the cia have a role before protests broke out in february before the events of february and march do you think that could be a possibility. sure i do i mean let's be honest the cia is involved in every place that they try to get involved they were at least on the ground in egypt they try to be on the ground everywhere in every major country in the region and tripoli is one of those places you would have expected them to deny it but i think so i think what percentage were under siege is talking about is a reasonable question but i think one of the problems that we hav

dennis kucinich, a liberal democrat from ohio, saying that president obama should fire jeff immelt, ife doesn't step down, and immelt is the ceo of general electric, and kucinich says he is unfit to counsel the president on creating jobs, just hours after the congressional budget office predicted unemployment above 8% for at least another couple of years. senator ron johnson, wisconsin republican, on the senate budget committee, joins us. senator, nice to have you with us. immelt is create be jobs, all right. for the chinese. he's doing a deal with the chinese, which will compete for jobs with u.s. workers. should the president fire immelt and, moreover, should this deal be stopped because immelt will be giving the chinese our aerospace technology partly developed by nasa? >> he's also shipping jobs right from wisconsin, over to china as well. but, truthfully, i don't see what good replacing basically deck chairs on the titanic is going to do. president obama just replaced bad advisors with somebody else, that shares his ideological of a large and expanding government and looking for g

. >> dennis, kucinich, good to see you. >> and the white house, and standard and poors, we connect and you decide. after seven decades you are going down and your triple a rating will be a thing of the past. our white house guide with us now . the white house not happy with what s&p did. what can we look forward to or not in the next couple of dayings. >> we don't look forward for the president to come on camera. earlier michelle bachmann wanted the president to come back from camp david. the white house said no on camera statements. maybe he will put a writen statement and they were pushing back hard against s&p. they thought there was a mass error and s&p clearly decided to move forward because of a number of factors, not only the debt but the fact that you look inside of the report, they cited concerns washington not able to govern on big issues. not only at the white house, but congress and democrat and republican leaders up there . i think something else to look for in the days ahead, a republican budget expert saying that there are other countries hit with a downgrade like canada

. >> i've got msnbc contributor chris cillizza, tand jackie cu kucini kucinich.t with you. america's newspaper, you're here. is the debate tonight going to be the front page? is that what everybody will wake up to tomorrow or no? >> that's above my pay grade. it is what i would like to wake up to tomorrow. i think it is a big deal. i think a lot -- talking to people after being here, a lot of people are undecided. there are a lot of straw poll voters who don't know who they're going to vote for and they'll watch the debate to see how people do. they're talking about the economy. and if the ideas are the ones they want. >> kay anderson said the same thing. there is enthusiasm among republicans to show up to the straw poll. but even though they're not motivated by a candidate yet. >> i kind of -- >> this is going to date me, but it reminds me of 1995 where you had energy, but not behind anyone in particular. it was like, well, i'm not sure. >> very similar situation. romney, yes, but in iowa, maybe not. >> date others. >> if you're a republican, you're happy that t

dennis kucinich says the spending has to double. and mark zhan did who says republicans and -- democrats have talk. before that, the latest on what is happening now. georgia republican jack kingston calling on congress to reconvene immediately to pass a new deal. the congressman will be here later this hour. china wasting no time saying, the good old days of borrowing are over. in europe, g-7 finance ministers will meet to discuss the impact of the downgrade. dow losing 700 points this week, before the s&p announcement. saudi arabia the first market on earth to trade on this news, since this news it want pretty. stocked down 5 1/2%. the problem is not the downgrade, it is debt that brought it on. a message that seem to the best getting lost. my next guest ron paul on the phone. congressman, you weren't and aren't surprised, but what now? >> it looks like we are in for big trouble because we haven't dealt with the problem. i'm surprised it took them so long to downgrade. i don't think it should have had that rating for a long time. p

kucinich -- >> the lawsuit. >> the fact of the matter -- people were talking impeachment, blah, blah,lah. now it's working. but the fact is he's did not get the u.s. more deeply involved. pat is right. this is the most dangerous time for lib are libya or any other country. why we want to put american troops in the middle of this chaos -- >> i disagree that is exposes nato as a paper tiger. they're involved at the turning point there. >> what about the u.s.? >> the u.s. cannot play -- [everyone talking at once] >> excuse me. it vindicates the president's post-iraq model of -- >> no it doesn't. >> yes, it does. and transitional council handled themselves pretty well. the small country, six or seven medical people. they've got oil wells. i think they've got a very good shotleader over there! >> they're worthington. >> certainly not over until they find gaddafi. >> i can address the whole leading from behind thing? that was a could have been a catastrophic mistake because the rebels were freeing, the nato coal, was fraying. they're losing support, losing weapons. it's foolish not to give

democratic congressman dennis kucinich who says that the spending has actually got to double. mark zandi who says both republicans and democrats got to talk but, before that first, the latest what's happening right now. georgia republican jack kingston,calling on congress to reconvene immediately to pass a new deal with more cuts in the wake of the downgrade. the congressman will be here later this hour. china taking a shot at us wasting no time saying quote the good old days of borrowing is over. in uranium g 7 finance will meet this weekend to discuss the impact of the downgrade and the dow losing 700 points this week. that was before the s&p announcement. saudi arabia the first market on earth to trade on this news since this news and it wasn't pretty. stocks there down about 5.5%. banking issues in particular getting clobbered. the problem here is not the downgrade. it's the debt that brought it on. a message that seems to be getting lost in this drama. not with my next guest ron paul on the phone. congressman, you weren't and aren't surprised but what now? >> well, it loo

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involved really congressman dennis kucinich has some questions or ideas he is the congressman from ohio a democrat he asks in an article was the cia and all. implanting regime change before protests broke out in benghazi in february and did the cia that have a role in creating this civil war earlier i spoke with a journalist and he is a former cia officer himself jack right and i asked him if he thinks the cia was playing a role in the via even before this uprising and the process began here's what he said. let's be honest the cia is involved in every place they try to get involved they were at least on the ground in egypt they tried to be on the ground everywhere in every major country in the region in tripoli is one of those places you would have expected them so to deny it. so i think what percentage what is to just talking about is a reasonable but i think one of the problems that we have is the u.s. has a very strict different relationship in sort of approach to the middle east in general talk about democracy and how we're supporting the rebels and how incredibly close to protect h

himself thank you for being with us so my first question to you is you know we heard congressman kucinich ask did the cia have a role before protests broke out in february before the events of february and march do you think that could be a possibility. sure i view i mean let's be honest the cia is involved in every place that they try to get involved in they were at least on the ground in egypt they try to be on the ground everywhere in every major country in the region and tripoli is one of those places you would have expected them so to deny it but i think so i think what percentage what congressman percentage is talking about is a reasonable question but i think one of the problems that we have is the u.s. has a very schizophrenia relationship it's sort of approach to the middle east in general we talk about democracy and how we're supporting the rebels and how incredibly close to protect human life etc but we've made the very same argument in egypt but that ignores the fact that we supported mubarak for decades as our very closest ally in the region how do you reconcile that those tw

dennis kucinich accused president obama of a impeachment offense. mccain was critical, because he said president obama didn't move fast enough. americans weary of war were also concerned about the cost. according to the obama administration, the libya mission will cost american taxpayers $1.1 billion by september 30th. still, in just six months gadhafi is just about gone. remember he was slaughtering his own people. al jazeera the talk bulk today -- was u.s. involvement in libya worth it? facebook.com/carolcnn. i'll read your comments later this hour. >> thank you, carol. >>> the first hurricane of the atlantic season drenched puerto rico. irene could dumped perhaps 20 inches of rain on parts of the island. the storm is barely holding onto hurricane status, with top winds at 75 miles an hour, so irene could threaten the southeastern united states by the end of the week. >>> new york prosecutors are meeting this afternoon with the woman who says that dominique strauss-kahn sexually assaulted her last may. an attorney for the hotel housekeeper says he

that on our side you can only imagine what people would be say i think actually we have to dennis kucinich i mean he's been marginalized although there haven't been pay for play kind of operations like the i was struck for for democrats i think it would take paul more seriously anybody says a significant amount of money he did really well money is one of the lyndon la rouche of the republican party and he's got these these followers sure almost as i know we're both going to get hate mail from them but but what he should do with that money is run could. television ads and this is just a political strategy to me run compelling television ads on his issues and do real scientific organizing on the ground to get his voters out when he doesn't do that he comes in sixty comes in seventh and you know i don't know where the money goes it might go to winning straw polls but straw polls don't matter the only straw poll that matters is the one on election day and so if ron paul is way out here and mitt romney is way over here as moderate libertarian you know more than extreme in republican circles you

libya the reason produce i did states is involvement it's still not answered and congressman dennis kucinich of ohio asks in an article was the cia involved in planning regime change before protests broke out in benghazi and february. and then did the cia have a role in fomenting a civil war earlier i spoke with journalist and former cia officer jack rice so i asked him if he thinks that the cia could have been playing a role in libya even before this uprising even began here's what he said hold your i.q. let's be honest the cia is involved in every place that they tried to get involved they were at least on the ground in egypt they tried to be on the ground everywhere in every major country in the region in tripoli is one of those places you would have expected to have so to deny it would i think would be naive so i think what it's percentage would assume it is talking about is a reasonable question but i think one of the problems that we have is the u.s. has a very schizophrenia relationship in sort of approach to the middle east in general we talk about democracy and how we're supporting

dennis kucinich accused president obama of an impeachable defen impeachable offense.was critical because he said president obama didn't move fast enough to prevent a long, drawn out fight for freedom. and americans weary of war were also concerned about cost. according to the obama administration, the libya mission will cost american taxpayers $1.1 billion by september 30th. still, in just six months, gadhafi is just about gone. remember, he was slaughtering his own people. al jazeera estimated last month 13,000 libyans have died in the conflict. the talk back question this morning, was u.s. involvement in libya worth it? facebook.com/americanmorning. i'll read your comments later this hour. >>> the story is still developing in libya. we also have a live report from tripoli coming up. >>> we're following developing news in that case against the former imf chief dominique strauss-kahn. he may be, soon, a free man. reports that criminal charges may be dropped as soon as sttod. we've got the latest on that. >>> yes, it's unbelievable. stunning violence at the 49%/raider

jenna: congressman kucinich, nice to have you with us, we'll continue to have this conversation as the of libya seems not completed at this time. sir, we look forward to having you back on again. >> thank you very much. gregg: oil prices on the rise yet again today, hovering around $87 a barrel. sandra smith is live a the chicago mercantile exchange. sandra, what's going on there? >> reporter: gregg, right now we're watching prices charging higher. even above 87. now we're staring $90 a barrel straight in the face, up 1.57 up on the day, just at about 88.50 a barrel, so we're starting to talk about # \on/zero dollars a barrel yet again. what's pushing prices higher today? well, there are some reports on the economy that investors are choosing to look at the positive. we got the price index of 20 u.s. cities that did show a drop, but it was just a .1% drop, and that indicated that there may be some stabilization in the u.s. housing market and that has some bullishness in oil prices. when the perception is that the economy is improving, we do see buyers in oil. so that's what's pushing p

. >> it happened with kucinich last time but they couldn't see him. >> he was there. >> greg: let's go to cat eating pancakes, c.e.p. your thoughts on the debate. not so much eating as licking. totally inaccurate. andy, welcome to the panel. >> thank you. >> greg: what did you make of the debate. >> i thought pawlenty and bachmann had a great moonlighting vibe. i want to know what happened afterwards. pawlenty should never ever again try to be funny. i was upset that other than mitt romney not a single candidate pledged not to eat barack obama's dog food. so i can only assume they would eat barack obama's dog food. >> greg: i think that's a fair conclusion. if this were a football game, who scored the most baskets. >> i would say that mitt romney scored the most baskets by playing the best defense, greg. caller: fantastic. i'm confused. did you complain -- did newt complain too much about gotcha questions? >> i think it was really a fair question. if you can't run a campaign, can you run a country? the main thing that stood out to me was all the anti-gay marriage talk. i believe that e

. >> dennis, kucinich, good to see you. >> and the white house, and >> and the white house, and standard [ male announcer ] try fixodent with a time-released formula. use just once per day for dawn-to-dark hold. it is important to use the product as directed. fixodent and forget it. after seven decades you are going down and your triple a rating will be a thing of the past. our white house guide with us now . the white house not happy with what s&p did. what can we look forward to or not in the next couple of dayings. >> we don't look forward for the president to come on camera. earlier michelle bachmann wanted the president to come back from camp david. the white house said no on camera statements. maybe he will put a writen statement and they were pushing back hard against s&p. they thought there was a mass error and s&p clearly decided to move forward because of a number of factors, not only the debt but the fact that you look inside of the report, they cited concerns washington not able to govern on big issues. not only at the white house, but congress and democrat and republican lea

we had coverage and and -- kucinich and lugar against the action. said this from the beginning qaddafi gone is an overall plus for the entire world. syria comes under more pressure to get rid of this thug assad, correct? >> yes. but syria is a very complicated situation compared to libya. you have syria emerging as more and more of a proxy ground between the saudis and the turks on bun side and the iranians on the other. you have huge sectarian fischers in play. and to see regime change in syria, you would first need to see large scale defections amongst the whites and military in the regime itself. we haven't seen that yet. >> bill: folks in syria, the qaddafi fall has got to enbolden them. >> of course, the opposition on the street. the elo whmplet -- it's not going to be easy for the regime. >> bill: i don't know about intense. qaddafi was a brutal dictator. if he is still alive, they will get him, i hope, and try him in the hague. also, thanks very much. as always, we appreciate it plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. bernie

when i got to my caucus on monday, my colleague mike p cap rey eun know and dennis kucin h kucinich, i saw the exact language, and it explicitly exempted spending in iraq and afghanistan from any cap. so what i said, namely, under the plan i thought i was going to be voting for, money for iraq and afghanistan would be competing with other -- >> what you thought was there was not there. >> no. it was exactly opposite of what i thought was there. >> so you took the time to read it. nancy pelosi said sunday night she wasn't sure -- she wanted to read the bill before she supported it. she supported it. but do you think your colleagues actually read the bill? >> i think a large number of people this time read, if not the whole thing, the most significant parts of it it. this was a very important issue, and, yes -- let me put it this way. by the time people voted i do not think there were any pieces of it where people were under the misimpression i was under monday. it was not available to me on monday. it was obviously to the leader. and that caucus, it it was a very newsful caucus. joe b

they're paying attention, that they're interested, that we have members of congress like dennis kucinich, representative keith ellison was on the show the other darke ron paul is on often. that tells me people in washington are starting to pay attention. hillary clinton has mentioned it, the broadcasting board of governors has mentioned it. enge we're on the radar here. >> and you have a fellow on there named tom hartman. >> he does a program, yes. >> american, used to be in oregon, i guess he's paced here, does he do the show here? >> he does a raide show which amazes me how he fits that in one day, but a radio show every day and a one-hour tv show. >> and peter labelle. >> he's in moscow. he's an american, i've never met him. i don't know too much about him. >> what is the rest of the day? what kind of things can people see? >> it depends. where our bureau is here in washington, we are rt america system of we focus on u.s. politics on domestic politics. and in moscow, that's rt international. and so they switch off because moscow is running 24 hours a day and our newscast doesn't start

jackie kucinich covers politics. good to see you today. here's the problem.he president's handling of the economy, people just don't approve of it. only 26% of those who were asked in a new poll say they approve of the job he's doing handling the economy but it seems like you do a better job when you get a break every now and then. >> well, you know, i think americans generally have an understanding and sympathy for presidents needing to get away. everyday folks in the united states want to have their own vacations, they want to get away from the routines and pressures of their jobs and understand the president wants to do that, too. there is this sense that presidents need to get away. but at the same time, it's not just presidents on vacation, it's where they go. that's where president obama has a problem right now, i think, because of this notion of the optics. how it looks for him to be at this playground of rich people and celebrities and famous people maybe indulging himself while the country is suffering through hardship. that's the problem, not so muc

that we have members of congress like dennis kucinich. representative ron paul. that to me is a testament that people in washington are starting to pay attention. hillary clinton has mentioned it the broadcasting board of governors. i think we're definitely on the radar here. >> and you have a fellow on there named tom hartman >> also in the program. >> yes. a american used to be in oregon. >> does she do the show here? >> yes. he does the radio show which amazes me how he fits that into one day but he does a radio show every day and one hour tv show. >> peter lave el? >> he's in moscow. >> but he's an american? >> peter is an american. i've never met him so i don't know too much about him but he lives in moscow. >> what's the rest of the day on rt? what kind of things can people see? >> it depends. where our bureau is here now in washington, d.c. as we are rt america. so we focus on u.s. politics, on domestic politics and in moscow, that's rt international. and so they switch off because moscow is running 24 hours a day, and our newscast doesn't start here until

attention, that they're interested, that we have, you know we have members of congress like dennis kucinich representative keith ellison was just on the show the other day, ron paul talks to our channel often. that to me is a testament that people in washington are starting to pay attention. like i said, hillary clinton has mentioned it, the broadcasting board of governors have mentioned it. i think we're definitely on the radar here. >> and you have a fellow on there named tom hartman? >> tom hartman also does a program, yes. >> american that used to be in oregon. he's now moved in this area. i guess he's based here now doing does he do the show here? >> yes, he does the show here. he still has a radio show which amazes me how he fits all that into one day, but he still does a radio show everyday and also a one-hour tv show on the channel. >> and something called is it crosstalk with peter lavelle? >> peter lavelle is he's in moscow. >> but he's an american? >> peter lavelle is an american. yes, i've never met him. so i don't know too much about him, but he lives in moscow and that's where

comment, what he's really saying is if there was some pressure from someone like himself or dennis kucinichll the president back towards the left, where they think he belongs, that they would have a better agenda for america and maybe shake things up. so i think it's something where the left and the right probably agree, -- megyn. megyn: might anybody take that clear? al alan coomes is on this program, saying how president obama has disappointed the left when it comes to health care, afghanistan, homeland security, polices, so on. >> you just artake lated what the agenda would be and the gallup poll cited 25, 30 percent of the electorate would be responsive to that and in these kind of unsettled times where people are very angry with washington, congress and the white house, it's never impossible that someone will take up the mantle. megyn: but you know -- let me put it this way. you know hillary clinton, you know her well, you worked for the kilnions. >> i did. megyn: and she's said no every way she knows how to say no, she also says she's not going to be secretary of state in the second t

it is dennis kucinich all the way.he only one who can get this out of these wars we should never have been in in the first place. he needs to turn independent and get everyone revved up about his intentions of winning. it behind him. do not be swayed by the talk of no one voted for him. hogwash to that. i am a country singer. holmeke to jennifer gran hom about 2016. i said that it was for 2012. guest: you may have to move to my own state to vote for him. it is very likely the cleveland seat he represents now will be drawn out of existence. washington state is gaining another seat. he is actually thinking about moving to washington state to run for office there. he will either run for district north of seattle or for wherever they put the new seat. this is fascinating. he has been out to seattle several times this year talking to the labour council and democratic groups. he is going to try to stay in the house of representatives, but he may try to do it from another state. it has been a long time since a member of congr

people like dennis kucinich said you totally bypassed the congress. you were over in brazil cutting an oil deal and you make the announcement that we're going to be leading nato's coalition for a couple of days into protecting whatever it was, protecting libyan citizens from the would be onslaught from qaddafi but never went back and got congressional approval and never went back and explained the mission. if it turns out that the so-called smart power ends up being effective, that would be interesting but it's still not going to get past the fact that for the first time maybe in our history, congress was never addressed before military action was taking place and according to "the new york times" today, many in the obama white house wish they could do it again and went back and asked for permission, they would have avoided a lot of headaches. now, your headlines. >> yeah, no. >> i was going to bring something else up. i'll save it for a little bit later. i'll tease you for it. there is a bright side to all of this today. >> we'll want to hear that. >

the guardian, secrgadhafi's bid save his regime including trying to persuade dennis kucinich to comesion. it never took place. the oregonian a paramedic who treated gadhafi loyalists was struck by the determination of the rebels who refused food, water and fluids because of their religions. >>> the obama administration is allowing mexican police from cross border raids. the move is intended to invade the surveillance of criminal organizations inside mexico. before we get to the next newspaper, we seem to be, in this country, completely avoiding a huge story in mexico. 30 to 40 people killed in monterey. there were drug wars in mexico making the cities more dangerous than baghdad. incredible. >> it's been largely attributable to drug use in the u.s. >> with us now, the chief white house correspondent, mike allen here with the morning playbook. the phrase we are all waiting for, go ahead. >> happy friday! >> thank you very much. >> we have to say happy birthday to a friend of yours, a great journalist, great american, ben bradley. he is 90 today. 9-0. >> he's a great man. 90 years old,

i think michelle balkman and dennis kucinich presidentially. do you think putting aside the big government aspect that mandatory voting has one good aspect in that more people would vote and it would be more roughly representative of the whole society? >> that's an empirical question, obviously. but we know it does have participatory voting -- i mean mandatory voting and that's not planned politics and canada doesn't and it has fairly nicely run politics and can't imagine a country more centrist than canada, maybe switzerland who have lower rates than we do. but it doesn't correlate well between centrists. america is not a country -- look, i'm a libertarian. the problem with libertarians, two of them agree, so each of the other one has sold out. but that's part of america. we want to be a tolerant country but not a country that demands we all agree to consensus. and i think a lot of the contentions we feel about, can't we all be nice is our unhappiness that not everyone agrees with us. many of the examples norm gave are true. i mean, yes, chris

when michelle bachmann and dennis kucinich is on the same page about something, that's an interestingt the president will have to contend with. >> remember when colin powell warned george w. bush, if you break it, you own it. going forward now, as we look to whatever is going to happen next, ambassador, in libya, you know, there are people who are talking about, ok, sharia law will be part of the constitution of libya and there's some suggestion, perhaps, that the people who are going to be running things are not necessarily our friends because democracy, you think democracy is the next step there? >> not necessarily. i don't agree with the pottery barn rule anyway but i think the united states has a clear national interest in making sure that libya does not become a base for international terrorism. and that argues for us being politically very involved to shape the successor regime which i don't think we've done enough of. >> i think it's a lot easier to criticize than be correct like president obama has been and at the end of the day, we have more friends in the middle east because

what i mean by offensive -- why does he not talk to dennis kucinich, appoint him as being the new consumer advocate for financial situations? let him get tough out there? even though the republicans will prevent that from happening or at least try, every day, he would be out there pounding it about how we need to enforce the new roles for the banks. that is the kind of stuff we need. we need maybe congressman fahad. let him take over secretary of the treasury. f you get these super pac's having to defend other positions, the strict obama policy -- and i know you hate to hear this, but it is kind of like football. you have the linebackers blitzing the president every play. host: this is turning into a different kind of a program. caller: personal like -- guest: personally, agreed to a large extent in terms of the need to be on offense. many democrats have been frustrated that so much of the economic conversation has been on defense, and we have been fighting it essentially on the gop turf. we are trying to defend our ideas rather than being on offense and challenging their ideas a little bi

what i mean by offensive -- why does he not talk to dennis kucinich, appoint him as being the new consumer advocate for financial situations? let him get tough out there? even though the republicans will prevent that from happening or at least try, every day, he would be out there pounding it about how we need to enforce the new roles for the banks. that is the kind of stuff we need. we need maybe congressman fahad. let him take over secretary of the treasury. f you get these super pac's having to defend other positions, the strict obama policy -- and i know you hate to hear this, but it is kind of like football. you have the linebackers blitzing the president every play. host: this is turning into a different kind of a program. caller: personal like -- guest: personally, agreed to a large extent in terms of the need to be on offense. many democrats have been frustrated that so much of the economic conversation has been on defense, and we have been fighting it essentially on the gop turf. we are trying to defend our ideas rather than being on offense and challenging their ideas a little bi

i think michelle balkman and dennis kucinich presidentially. do you think putting aside the big government aspect that mandatory voting has one good aspect in that more people would vote and it would be more roughly representative of the whole society? >> that's an empirical question, obviously. but we know it does have participatory voting -- i mean mandatory voting and that's not planned politics and canada doesn't and it has fairly nicely run politics and can't imagine a country more centrist than canada, maybe switzerland who have lower rates than we do. but it doesn't correlate well between centrists. america is not a country -- look, i'm a libertarian. the problem with libertarians, two of them agree, so each of the other one has sold out. but that's part of america. we want to be a tolerant country but not a country that demands we all agree to consensus. and i think a lot of the contentions we feel about, can't we all be nice is our unhappiness that not everyone agrees with us. many of the examples norm gave are true. i mean, yes, chris

jackie kucinich, thank you. and i'm joined now by former dnc communications director karen finney in washington. also here is joe watkins in the studio, former aide to president george h.w. bush. joe, we have rick perry making it official about 25 minutes or so from now. if you were a republican competing in iowa, would you be happy with perry right now? >> i think that every candidate has to stick to their own knitting. you have to stay focused on what you're trying to do. rick perry is going to be a serious candidate for the presidency. all the polling data i've seen shows that he is. so that is what it is. if you're in the iowa straw polls, you petter concentrate on what you need to do to get voters to vote for you. >> how about from the obama campaign perspective, karen, potential presidential run by rick perry, what does that mean for them? >> i think it mean it is rick perry were to be the republican nominee, it would define for america a very sharp contrast. and in an election, that is one of the best thi

kucinich says, look, what kind of signal is this to the united states of america?to create jobs and yet, g.e. didn't pay taxes on $5 billion worth of income. in fact, got a $3 billion tax refund and they're shipping all these jobs over to china and using u.s. technology, handing it over to the chinese aerospace. >> specifically, this is what kucinich says. he says jeffrey immelt has a conflict of interest. he cannot ethically advise the president on how to create american jobs and promote american competitiveness while at the same time leading a company that's exporting american technology to china, and along with it, american jobs. >> he took over for paul volker and he's supposed to be heading up the economy. not what's good for g.m. but what's good for the country. this is what really burns me, "the washington post," we talked about this. they said in this deal delivering over to china, we have engineered some cutting edge aerospace technology. >> developed by nasa. >> and we're sending it over to china. now, if the president of the united states is feeling like