. >> i think this moment kugel so allow us to forget what exactly you went through when you say the this was difficult. this was traumatizing as well. as alan simpson promised when he said that you would really get harassment, there was, in addition to all of the other accusations -- i think it was orrin hatch waving the bible talking about exorcisms -- [laughter] but it did not go with the hearing. it followed you for quite some time. there were security issues. there was practically emotional torture to the extent that even friends of yours, not just you, but friends were forced to move from oklahoma, as i recall. there was a little package of fecal matter that was sent to you. there were security issues constantly for quite a bit of time and to some extent into the present. >> it is a testament to my friends and colleagues that i was able to continue. there was a pressure at the university of oklahoma for me to be fired. it was coming from officials, legislators, state legislators. when that did not work, there were threats to the existence of the law school and the funding of the law