so imagine trying to set the rules for cyberspace i do have that meeting without representatives of kugelor apple or facebook or others in the room you have companies so we need to be very creative. who also knew we give the seats at the table where it is just nation states it has clearly ended with the nine actors just like the gates foundation and other entities like the groups like al qaeda but you still have to deal with them because they have real power >> host: i was struck that you not only talked about the primary thesis but you go into the issue pre-emptive action i think it is worth going into because that undergirds the thesis how you do it. give some examples where action is relevant relative to a new world order. >> there is a consensus out there to stop the non-proliferation treaty. specially end of late sixties or the '70s if the countries with nuclear weapons right now. of india or pakistan nor north korea. we'll be extraordinarily dangerous. from any or other prospective. if those ago get nuclear weapons. but now north korea has several nuclear weapons with the ballistic

the very second search with wicked pds they did a great job band-aid dominated in the area of those kugel searches with the former ceo they did a tremendous job so republicans have a lot of work to do technologically. >> during research for the book did you come across stories that you just could not validate? >> you wanted them in their view could not validate the. >> the editor were very thorough they spend almost one week where did you get this? so the word occasionally was not a good enough but most of them multiple stories like when she learned she lost the election when it dawned on her the improbably a subway was not sure that it was true then shattering glass so there was all of this billing on the second source was not good enough that it is a part of history some bills will right negative i cannot control what happens but then when the governor went on national tv and a wetback to see the so there was some stories but i was troubled by is the source over 20 years and it was troubling to me. so the woman and their crimes with which. and they say you are kidding me and i thought i