unclear where kugler is on that. you know, tyler, it's like saying draw me a picture of the room but leave out the big elephant in the room. it's almost impossible, i would think, to think about a monetary policy this year to think about the economy this year without incorporating some form of your belief what's going to happen to those two particular areas of critical importance to the economy. >> how unusual is it, steve, for interest rates as set by the fed, and they have one or two rates that they influenced very directly, how unusual is it that their interest rates are coming down and longer-term interest rates are going up? and what does that signal? >> it's pretty unusual, tie lerl. it's worth noting, think people forget this, in the anticipation of those rate cuts yields did come down and now we have given back the largest part of that decline. there was a need for the yield curve to rebalance in a way, that is to do get positive again. look where it is now, north of 30 basis points, i guess 32 basis points o