and then the way to turn people as shalini and kuklinski more empirically with research go into isn't by by isn't by vilifying them, but by listening and connecting and providing a kind of relationship where the person's dignity feels affirmed and then it's affirmed. they're much more open to change, not always. i'm not being i'm not being a sentimental host, but that is what the research suggests is, that it is the connection brings people back. the connection, a person who accepts you connection with a with one's family or with one's community that brings people back. and and so i do believe it is part of this crisis of belonging is that we're all doing things. and the policies and so many things are kind of aggravating people's need to belong and and making them susceptible to, ridiculous and sometimes dangerous beliefs. yeah. you know, a lot of your work is with younger kids. i'm thinking about the example you just gave of christians growing up and being, you know, this fragmented, not having the sense of belonging, going back really to his childhood. and i'm thinking about some o