kulldorff, like youou to respond to what d.braar karan said and also d do sosome of the criticisms that he been made of the barringtonn declararation, i including by vy .romominent figigures the w judge rerector called it french and - -- the who director -- a anonothernch andnd epidemiologist h has said the force protection strategy you advovocate is not a plan butut i massacacre. k karan just t pointed out the key issue or thehe onlyy issue should not be mortality rates, which is whwhat the declararation focuseses on, givn the ever of instances that wewe have s seen among youngnger populations of orb entities s tt are long-lalasting, incluluding possibly permanenent damage to e heart and lungs, so-called long covid -- why is it ththe declaration only looks at mortality rates andnd not possibly, certainly, lolong-term effects of the v virus, and possibly even permanent ones among youngeger populations? in combinination the three of you come i think that was s abot 20 things to respond to. i would like t to say wouldld ty catete

dr martin kulldorff is one of the co—authors of the great barrington declaration — he's a professor of have you with us. i know you are at the white house last week meeting mr atlas and dhs secretary. how much weight do you think you're taxing your documents has had a number white house policy? -- your documents. we met with secretary atlas and is building but the thinking and the declaration is very similarto thinking and the declaration is very similar to the thinking that scott atlas has mentioned before it became a white house adviser and that many other infectious disease epidemiologist are in favour of. so this is nothing strange or something new. it is the same proposals that we re new. it is the same proposals that were in the various pandemic preparedness documents in different countries in europe had prepared for before the pandemic. the trouble is, according to the leslie, there's only been around 10% of the united states that is been affected and what we have come at 216 thousand deaths, so to get the herd immunity, 60 or 70% come if you do the simple math, he means you're

martin kulldorff following all the developments.sarily repeat the same things we've done in the past to deal with the virus, no matter what people have done it spikes regardless. maybe we have to find different strategies. meantime we're focusing on the president pounding this issue, that things are going much better than the media is reporting with the virus. he is wrapping up a visit in one of three right now no pennsylvania. he will be busy there he is on to a number of other battleground states. relentless campaign continues. so shall we. one day we'll look back and remember the moment that things, for one strange time in our lives, got very quiet. we worried over loved ones, over money, over our planet, and over takeout. let's remember this time when so many struggled to feel secure, and build a future where everyone can. because when the world seems like it's standing still... that's the perfect time for us to change it. neil: all right. early voting has already begun in the empire state. man, oh, man, is it getting and drawin