madeleine may kunin served as governor of vermont from 1985 to 1991. she is a professor at the university of vermont and the author of, "the new feminist agenda, defining the next revolution for women, work and family." her new article for the boston globe is headlines "when bernie , sanders ran against me in vermont." she is the first woman governor of vermont. she has endorsed hillary clinton. ben jealous is also with us, the former president and ceo of the naacp. last week, he officially endorsed bernie sanders. he is joining us from north carolina. and darnell moore is member of the new york city chapter of black lives matter which has , opted not to endorse anyone in the democratic primary. darnell is also a senior correspondent at micnews and a co-managing editor at the feminist wire. we welcome you all to democracy now! governor, let's begin with you in burlingn, vermont. can you talk about why you think was airst primary -- iowa caucus -- is so important and why you're endorsing hillary clinton? >> well, i am very pleased to endorse hillary cli

governor kunin was easily reelected. madeleine kunin joins us with insight on what it is like to run against bernie sanders. thanks for being with us. >> well, thank you. i'm delighted to be with you. and of course, you know, he was a young man then. and he gave the same message, though, in terms of income inequality. he's toned down a whole lot. i mean, then he was frankly a fringe candidate, and the message of income inequality today resonates more. but he had similar body language. and he probably didn't have the same haircut or the same suit. >> so his message resonates more in terms of income inequality, yet you are endorsing or at least behind hillary clinton, is that right? >> absolutely. >> why is that? >> well, i will be, very simply put, she is by far the most qualified candidate, male or female, to lead this country for the next four or eight years. and in addition, but not the only reason i stress, i'm very proud that she could be the first woman president of the united states. and that's something many of us

joining us now is former governor madeline kunin and annie lynnsky here on set.tell me about why you wrote this piece and what you wanted to say, and whether you see it as valid for women of any age to support bernie sanders right now. >> well, right now, i believe that hillary clinton is by far the most capable, most experienced, by far most results oriented person running for president. of course i add to that my own desire which i hope to achieve before i leave this earth, to see after thousands, if not millions of years of male leadership, to see a woman president. and, it's not just a gender thing, but the gender part is that a woman lives a different kind of life. and sees the world differently than men. not on all issues, but on some issues like women's issues which today are economic issues. i mean, hillary has devoted her whole public life to furthering education, as the wife of the governor of arkansas. to the children's health insurance bill, in the senate, and as secretary of state, i was there in beijing, when she said these words over the microphone

very interestingly, we had a debate yesterday between madeleine kunin, the former vermont governor whofor hillary clinton ben jealous, the , former head of the naacp, who's now come out for bernie sanders -- they have had a literal, tangible policy impact across the board. i have to say, even in my position on senator sanders in terms of reparations, they saw some things before i saw them. i didn't write this, you know, and i wouldn't have written this, but like a lot of other people, when i saw the interrupting of his platform, i didn't quite get it, i didn't quite understand it. and it was only in the course of, you know, working on the stuff that i've worked on in the past few weeks related to senator sanders that i came to understand in greater detail their frustrations. amy: were you surprised by the pushback that you got after writing this piece? >> yeah, a little bit. a little bit, i was. but it's been a great opportunity, you know? i have been extremely, extremely fortunate, in the sense that i feel like i've been saying the same sort of caliber of things for the past 10, 15 ye

so they've come out in full support of ruben kunin.il there pause here. i'm sure they're looking at their membership. that will be a good endorsement. but to me the most important thing is to rise above the apathy of getting out there to vote. i know we have these dreamers out there working on both candidacies. but to me it's got to be about getting your people to the polls to make the vote. and we've seen as in the rest of the country, an apathy there that people just, i guess they think it is futile. what difference does my vote make? from our perspective, we are working hard, regardless of anybody's choice, get out there, get registered and vote. >> mayor, do you get the sense this will be record turn yut like in '08? 115,000 people voted in the caucus then. did you feel it'll be as close or better this time around? >> you know, i think that's what our efforts about. you're saying the same thing thomas and we really are anxious nationally but certainly here in las vegas and throughout nevada that we are getting that message out. you