has a higher proportion of lower income students, than many of these kuntz, the u.s. a more diverse population, including immigrant groups in many of these countries. >> actually, with our common belief -- on income that is not actually right, in terms of child poverty the u.s. is around the average, among many countries, it has a more diverse population but even if you account for all of those factors, you know, to take vietnam a country that is very -- has poverty and still it comes out better than the average. so quality is a challenge, but you can actually see some countries very good at moderating inequality and very good at helping disadvantaged students actually to excel, you see it in asia and sipping pore and japan, you see it in northern europe where you have children coming out of poverty, and the education system then assures those children get the best educational opportunities. >> these numbers are inevitably pounced upon by advocates of all kinds, right? once we know the .. results of the tests, can we therefore say policy x is the right way to go? poli