kuo had another source inside the pentagon, and kuo was connected to spies on the west coast who wered naval technology. presumably, the u.s. is doing the same kind of spying in china, but michelle van cleave says america has so much more to lose. >> i think we're a real candy store for the chinese and for others in terms of technology and commercial products or other proprietary information, and so we will always be the principal target for them. >> what is the most serious damage that chinese espionage has done to the united states? >> it's the totality of the collection effort. take a case like this or cases like this-- traditional espionage, penetration of the interior-- couple that with industrial and economic collection. couple that with cyber. it greatly concerns me. it greatly concerns me. >> well, i hope this all works out. i mean, you are helping me a lot here, but i don't want anyone to know about our relationship or anything because it could get me in a lot of trouble. >> bergersen kept saying, "i could go to jail," and both men did. in 2008, prosecutors showed them this t

frances kuo, nbc news. >> here's bill karins who before gives you hisea channel forecast, he is going give you a speech. >> give people the cliff notes or lynn the cliff notes for that interception. >> that it was an interception. >> at the water cooler people will talk about that. just say definitely interception, packersere bb wed refes ba refs. >> don't trust him. >> there's not much to talk about. nice quiet day out there many on the east coast do not need the up brel l.a. dress the ceday, lynn, temperatures in t the 70s, chance of showers, pittsburgh late in the day but really only illinois seeing the nasty stuff. >> fill, thanks so much. >>> coming up, singer chris brown dodges a us a korean video. you are looking at "first look" on msnbc. k, u're a l. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met rilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ]..and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [e un] e any citi card [ jack ]..and alicia. to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts, more events,

. >> i thidz it's a gross invasion of privacy, however, if kuo are in the royal family, the duchess ofoing to sunbathe topless -- >> in a private residence. it's not like harry who went to a party and was with a bunch of people taking his clothes off. this is a married woman with her husband in a private residence. she deserves not to have a long lens go in through the windows. >> it's embarrassing. >> i'm not at all comfortable having this discussion. i will defer to both of you on this. >> poor john. smart move. thank you very much. >>> 50 minutes past the hour. let's get you up to date. >>> violent protests in afghanistan against the u.s. in kabul, hundreds of people rallying against a very low budget film that mocks the muslim prophet muhammad, burning cars, firing guns. afghan police officials saying at least 15 officers were injured. police were also forced to beat back the mob in karachi, pakistan. >>> rahm emanuel has said he'll seek a court order to end the walkout, a walkout that's entering its second week. this affects 350,000 kids and their parents who are scrambling to fin