resistant to that the kurds the kurds are sunni's and. he is very very recalcitrant toward toward the toward the sunni generally and of course the courage just recently took over the area that surrounds kirk cook got the got much more territory which is a foundation for alternately building an independent kurdistan so i think that they while they listen politely to to secretary kerry i think they have their own interests in mind and i think that's what they're going to pursue or maybe john kerry's go the up his sleeves is going to tempt them with a carrot to such what would that be what does he think he's going to do it to bring them on bold of baghdad. well he is hoping that kiwi would agree to. a more all inclusive government but i think already announced that he's not going to do that. and on top of that you have the sudanese who are very upset with him over the period of time in which he has been ruling so i think kerry is just. like too little too late and he's coming in at the eleventh hour and we're long past that and i think that

iraqi kurds take advantage of the ongoing chaos to capture economically vital energy signs while planning a referendum on finally getting their own independent state. ukraine's president extends the trousseaux with anti-government forces with three more days for sides well to uphold the ceasefire but stray shells from sporadic fighting keep hitting the russian border. police brutally for don another world cup work his protest against labor conditions of that group described as nothing short of a hole with ink. and the you want is calling massive water cut also he was a city of detroit as while a shell of human rights while authorities are still trying to bring all this money from the poorest residents. from moscow this is our change to national you with me. they rocky army has lost twenty of its men in a vicious a shootout with radical fight to send in time to drive them back from baghdad not the battle took place some fifty kilometers from the capital this comes as the u.s. secretary of state john kerry urged the kurds to reinforce the defenses of the capital but it seems the ethnic grou

kurd so use the security chaos in iraq to capture economically viable energy science while planning to hold a referendum on finally getting their own independence day. ukraine's president examines the truth with anti government forces for three more days both sides are wild to uphold the ceasefire but stray shells from sporadic fighting keep hitting the russian border. atari police brutally played done another couple of those protests which had been demonstrating against labor conditions that rights groups are described as nothing short of full riffing. and the u.n. is calling massive want to cut offs in the u.s. city of detroit the valuation of human winds all of sorties are still trying to wring out money from the poorest residents. welcome to our day international well line from moscow you with me to my must say it's good to have your company with us this evening. they rocky army has launched an offensive on the city of tikrit that is the current be in the hands of islamist radicals a town of less than two hundred kilometers from baghdad the eventual target all the extremists that's

point zero in a way the kurds. but just on the point why would ross presumably go to so much lead to curry favor with turkey do you believe well now turkey is a very important and they have so ally it is a very very crucial country in the region and have appeasing turkey is very important for several western nato countries you know even if it is. what does it actually change because a happy turkey is of course is a lot more important to europe and kurdistan if it eventually happens. what's your thoughts just on the kind of difference. well the difference is i think the kurdish issue is one of the most unresolved issues of the century and this war between the p.k. k. and turkey benefits several people civil institutions and countries so i think there is a there there are several larger issues that are connected to this so on the one hand while the west close the eyes to human rights violations in turkey and actively contributed to these human rights violations by either providing military or intelligence on the othe

kurds use the security chaos in iraq to capture economically vital energy sides while planning to hold a referendum on finally getting their own independent state. ukraine's president extends the truce with anti-government forces for three more days and both sides vowed to uphold the cease fire a stray shells from sporadic fighting keep hitting the russian border. police brutally put down another world cup workers protests which had been demonstrating against labor conditions and rights groups described as nothing short of horrific. and the u.n. is calling the massive water cutoff in the u.s. city of detroit a valuation of human rights authorities are still trying to wring our money from the poorest residents. a very warm welcome to you if you've just joined us here on r t international live from moscow this saturday you with me to. they rocky army has launched an often serve on the city of tikrit that is currently in the hands of islamist radicals the town is less than two hundred kilometers from baghdad the eventual target of the extremists this comes as the u.s. secretary of state j

what is the role of the kurds now? where does this leave them? >> reporter: well, the kurds are certainly in a position of strength. i am sorry. they have made incredible gains over the past two weeks as the sunni and shias are at each other's throat. and probably something that they did not expect to happen so swiftly. now, as you said they are in control of kirkuk and they are in control also of all of the other disputed territories, they say it's not their fault, but it's simply because they had to fill the security vacuum left behind when the iraqi army pulled out. on the other hand, he clearly stated it earliered to, that resolves the issue you of article 140 of the constitution it's an article that was calling for referendum to be held on the future of the disputed territories and is actually this article that convinced the kurds back in 2005 to sign off this constitution that was -- whic which -- negotiations were led by the americans at the time. this story goes back to when the new iraq was building up its political process and its new l

washington launches its drones in the skies over baghdad as western diplomats try to persuade kurds to remain part of iraq and fight the jihadists of isis. the truce is extended in eastern ukraine with both military defense fighters vying to ceasefire for the next three days. the us city of detroit close to a humanitarian crisis with the u.n. accusing local authorities there of human rights violations cutting off water supplies to the poor. nato secretary-general anders fogh rasmussen prepares to leave his post we report on the shady deals which allowed him to get that job in the first place. thanks once again for joining us my name is neil harvey and you're watching r.t. international. it has been confirmed that armed american drones are patrolling the airspace over the iraqi capital while the country finds an army of jihad ists advancing from the north a u.s. official said that the drones primary task is to defend american diplomats u.s. secretary of state john kerry is also asking the kurds to stand by you because of but they've already taken control of oil centers in the city of ku

headlines this hour kurds use the security chaos in iraq to capture economically vital energy sites while planning to hold a referendum on finally having their own independence day. ukraine's president extends the truce with anti-government forces for three more days both sides vowed to all pull the ceasefire but stray shells from sporadic fighting keep hitting the russian border. police brutally put down another world cup workers protests which had been demonstrating against labor conditions that rights groups describe as nothing short of horrific. on the u.n. this calling of water cut offs in the u.s. city of detroit a violation of human rights while authorities are still trying to wring money from the birth of the. hour you're watching from in the world welcome to moscow and to our international i'm you know neal our top story the iraqi army has launched an offensive on the city of to create that is currently in the hands of islamist radicals the town is less than two hundred kilometers from the eventual target of the extremists comes as the u.s. secretary of state john kerry urged the

he cut off revenue to kurds, the federal funds in january because the kurds started to ship out their own oil through turkey, and are keeping the proceeds for themselves. nouri al-maliki could play a card saying he'll turn on the revenues if peshmergaa takes the eastern flak of i.s.i.l. he is playing an opposite card, accusing them of commuting with the -- colluding with the enemy. >> in turn, they can offer turkish support. >> what the kurds want is independence. they are working towards that. they are getting 150,000 barrels of oil a day. they hope to be up to 400,000 from oil fields inside the kurdize part of iran. if they get up to 400,000, they no longer need the support from baghdad. kirkuk will get them over the numbers, there's infrastructure issues getting the oil from kirkuk it the kurdish pipeline. turkey has been a player, allowing them to build the pipe line and sell the oil through international markets. turkey benefits by getting cheeper oil from the neighbour. >>> can the kurds say "we want our region and territory and don't care what the i.s.i.l. is baghdad." >> this

these are kurds. that's what they are.e green sharedded portions of the map show the autonomous kurdish region into there. that is turkey up there and this is kirkuk and mosul on the border. their troops, the pesmerga have been effective, thousands of soldiers and refugees are heading to the green area to escape the problems happening down here. keep in mind the kurd are a much freer people compared to the sunnies in iraq. women can serve in the kurdish military. tensions between iraqi kurds and the central government in baghdad, that tension stretches back for decades, and longer than anybody watching this program has been alive in 1988 saddam hussein unleashed chemical weapons on the kurds. remember? yet kurdish fighters battled in the city of kirkuk. and now, kurdish forces say they're prepared for another potential showdown with these isis militants militants and alt along with them over kirkuk and its vast oil reserves. that's a huge prize for whoever can take it. the kurds say their weapons are outdated, hardly worki

secretary of state john kerry is also asking the kurds to stand by baghdad and he was followed by the british foreign secretary who traveled to meet leaders in northern iraq on friday to discuss their role in the conflict those who care for north looks at the prospects for iraqi kurdistan in the ongoing conflict. less than two kilometers away a stronghold of the islamic state in iraq and syria fighters from isis or as they're called in arabic have taken over the neighboring village these kurdish soldiers known as the peshmerga are are the only defense that's keeping the insurgents from marching north. so this whole area. isis fighters with snipers and the militant offensive sweeping across a rock is redrawing the country's borders but so too are the kurds as a rocky forces crumbled in the wake of the harvest onslaught kurdish soldiers moved in to fill the void nearly doubling their territory in the process in just a matter of hours the kurds seized militarily what they failed to secure politically for decades the oil rich province of cure cooled and its main city spofforth. the peshme

kurds use the security chaos in iraq or to capture economically want to end the sides while planning to hold a referendum on finally getting their own independent state. ukraine's president stands the trees with empty government forces for three more days both sides involved to uphold the cease fire but stray shells from sporadic fighting keeps hitting the russian border. police done another world cup work as a protest which had been demonstrating against labor conditions that drives groups described as nothing short of horrific. and the un is calling massive water cut off in the u.s. city of detroit of violation of human rights while authorities are trying to wring out money from the poorest residents. live from moscow this is already international thank you for being with us at the c evening you with me tongue say. they rocky army has launched an offensive on the city of tikrit that is currently in the hands of islamist radicals a ton of less than two hundred kilometers from baghdad the eventual target of the extremists this comes as the u.s. secretary of state john kerry urged the

as a supporter of the kurds i don't see a good thing for the kurdish cause.if kurdistan was a stubbly in iraq only of them and only a minority of kurds live in in iraq as more kurds in syria in right area are not receiving any support the you know they have a. autonomy their place called rajiv or and they say actually i let me just put in there because i'll ask you but i think we've got limited time not really seriously for that because we're continuing hearing iraq is having a disastrous time dealing with isis the country managed to remain intact do you believe by the end of the conflict. well we don't know when the conflicts going to end and then look at a long it's been going on in syria i think this triggered off once maliki was reelected i think he received more support than people x. expected so this is been triggered off recently by that i mean maliki does have support amongst the population majority of the population and i think it should be given a chance to form a new government and then then they should they should have the support that america say

are going to use the instability in iraq to stop as much authority as they can the kurds see a golden opportunity to basically declare their independence they've already announced that they're going to have a referendum they do have a choice they can either do that or. do what. kerry wants and work with the government in baghdad i think that while they listen politely to to secretary kerry i think they have their own interests in mind and unless something miraculous happens in the parliament without moloch you stand on board i think this split enough iraq is going to be inevitable the only thing that is working in anybody's favor is that isis has the has a military capability but the question is will they be able to govern all that territory they're taking over and already they're fighting from within some of the units and some of the other islamist groups and even x. about this that they that join them temporarily to take the territory over but now there's actually been gunfire and and opposition each will want their own little chunk in each little piece it's a mess. coming up nato r

the militant offensive sweeping across a rock is redrawing the country's borders but so too are the kurds as a rocky forces crumbled in the wake of that the harvest onslaught kurdish soldiers moved in to fill the void nearly doubling their territory in the process in just a matter of hours the kurds seized militarily what they failed to secure politically for decades the oil rich province of cure cooled and its main city spofforth for. the peshmerga is controlling the code. because a group in the other side there's no other groups but of course the peshmerga which three a year ago i couldn't really walk around here without the help of an armed escort it was just too dangerous there are suicide bombings frequent clashes between rival groups but controlling care coolpix the kurds hope to prove that they can do a better job than the central government maybe safer so far but what neighbors like isis it's unclear for how long. it didn't take long that evening we witnessed care cooks temporary were spiked from violence shattered a suicide bomber tried to enter a market in a kurdish part of town

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iraqi kurds take advantage of those ongoing chaos to capture economically volatile energy science funding a referendum on finally getting their own independent state. ukraine's president a sense of the truce with anti-government forces for three more days and both sides of twelve told a ceasefire the stray shells from sporadic fighting keep hitting the russian border . that are bullies and brutally put down another world cup workers protest against labor conditions that rights groups describe as nothing short of full referring. to the un is calling a mass of water contacts in the u.s. to the detroit violation of human rights and the authorities are still trying to bring up money from the poorest residents. just gone past some midnight here in the russian capital you live with us on r.t. international with me to say. they rocky army has lost twenty of its many in a vicious shoot on tour with radical fighters and it to drive them back from baghdad the battle to pave some fifty kilometers from the capital of comes as the u.s. secretary of state john kerry urged the kurds to reinforce the def

washington launches its drones in the skies over baghdad as western diplomats try to persuade kurds from in parts of iraq and. vices. a truce is extended in eastern ukraine with both the military and self-defense fighters falling to cease fire for the next three days. us city of detroit close to a humanitarian crisis with the u.n. accusing local authorities of human rights violations for cutting off water supplies to the poor. and also to come this hour as nato secretary general anders fogh rasmussen has to leave his post we report on the shady deals which allowed him to get the job in the first place. you're watching from around the world welcome to moscow on to r.t. international i'm you know neal it's been confirmed that armed american drones are patrolling the earth space sylvia rocky capital while the country fights an army of jihad the said dancing from the north a u.s. official said the drones primary task is to defend american diplomats u.s. secretary of state john kerry is also asking the courage to stand by baghdad but they've already tell you to look at oil centers in the city

even as the kurds face war on their southern border. growing anger at baghdad was one of the reasons john kerry traveled to northern iraq. even after his meeting, it is not clear if the region's leaders still see a future in iraq. >> joining us in the studio, an iraqi journalist based right here in berlin. a mere, very warm welcome. i want to start off by asking you about the kurds. where do they fit in in this turmoil? the advance of isis has presented an opportunity for them. >> opportunity that is also an advance, it is a challenge for them. as you know, this is the touch of the fighting line, which will be in front of their area with isis fighters. also, in the end they are the big winner of this new challenge. they got control of pure cook -- her cook -- cure cook -- they got control of the oil. >> the united states sees them as key to trying to keep a rack together. what do you think? -- think? >> definitely. the kurds play a major role in this matter. the have many elements in their hands. they have the ground, the military power

the kurds will not accept iranian presence. the irony of this, when you speak to ordinary iranians, well involved since the occupation of country, this is something not really new. now they accuse iran of meddling into iraqi politics. not only nouri al maliki but the performer prime minister. iraq has always refuted the fact that there are involvement of iranian forces in this country. and they say we are only allies, however, iraq has its own sovereignty, and the regional countries need to respect that. >> well, the u.n. has declared iraq a level 3 humanitarian crisis, 1.5 million people displaced. so it's a terrible situation there in iraq and always al jazeera, omar al sala, appreciate you joining us. thank you. i'm joined by retired air force colonel samuel gardner. we're also joined by aaron david miller, vice president for new initiatives and distinguished scholar at the woodrow wilson center, author of the end of greatness, why america can't have and doesn't want another great president. gentlemen, welcome. president oba

a lot of kurds say what are we getting out of this country? all we're getting is now a threat at our doorstep. this is a reality that happened over the past few weeks, all of a sudden this article 140 of the constitution that was calling for a referendum over disputed territories and mainly kirkuk and its oil fields, once the iraqi military pulled out, the kurdish force moved into secure those areas. now they are on the borders of this kurdish region that wants to seek some sort which independence. weaver heard rumbling about it within the kurdish leadership. i think at this particular stage, it will be a very difficult step. >> that could have regional implications if it goes further. reporting from iraq, thank you. >> our colleagues, the egyptian president saying this morning he will not interfere with the sentences that were handed down to our colleagues monday in cairo. the prison terms sparked international outrage. >> the world heard their screams of injustice. this was the moment journalists in egypt learned the cost of just doing their

if they declare their independence, the kurds in turkey and the kurds in syria and the kurds in iran would want to join them. >> is that a bad thing? >> it is a very bad thing. the turks would not allow it. you would have a war in the north. of divisiond part in iraq is that he could spill over to the rest of the region. these are all long lines drawn on a map. there's not a lot of meaning to them. the division of one part of the middle east that was drawn by it intoish really puts perspective. that is a very bad outcome. the second outcome, the second possible outcome, which would happen with significant iranian thervention, is what i call iraq holds together under a shia dictatorship. what happens is that the iranians come in big like they are in syria, rocks bigger. -- perhaps bigger. it is not just the militia that they have trained. it might actually be iranian troops. they defeat isis pretty quickly. they subjugate the sunnis. in essence, what happens is that you have an iraq that you had under saddam hussain, but the leader is a shia. that is bad news for the united states. it

card and taking a hard line on the kurds. he's not dealt with illegal arrests and the treatment of the prisoners in the prisons and so on. so not a lot of grass roots support for this government. and then as far as the kurds are concerned, this couldn't come at a worst time with the relations. there was a total cutoff prior to this. baghdad did not make the monthly payments. they have not made payments for march and april. because of the dispute over kurdish oil exports to turkey. so as a result, when this crisis took place, baghdad and the region was in a state of conflict, not armed conflict, but economic conflict, baghdad cut off their payments. as a result, the kurds are taking control of kirkuk and moving to protect northern areas and protecting the kurdish areas, but the kurds are not coming to the res kie of the baghdad government, they are not going to kick the jihadist out, so you know, relaces between the kurds and the baghdad government is very bad. >> thank you for being on the show. >> in neighboring syria, the g

. >> next, look at the history of iraq and the sunnis, shiites and kurds. from washington journal, this is about 40 minutes. we continue on this sunday , aning with shibley telhami professor, and the author of the world through arab eyes. we appreciate you being with us. back,t to take a step because we have been hearing so much about the sunnis and the shias. we thought it would the interesting to give our audience a lesson into this conflict that that dates back to the seventh century. guest: as a cautionary note, to understand that a lot of these divisions are the logical, and the principal political -- theological, and in principle, political. when the prophet mohammed died, there was a battle over succession. the majority selected the successor, there was a minority , also hisd his cousin son-in-law, to succeed him. means the party of valley, from that beginning. it was a battle of succession that flared up into a battle for iraq. of hussein, who was also the expected successor, was killed. from that point on you had this very deep divide in his long.

the kurds have since had this oil conflict. what they've done, some of their oil has gone through turkey, ended up in a turkish base -- port, and ended up headed toward the american gulf coast. then it turned around, and now the government in baghdad is going file with the united nations a complaint. so that sort of ratcheted up the trouble between the kurds in the north and the baghdad central government. here's what just happened. the kurdish forces that operate within the iraqi army, the pesh murga. they have taken over kirkuk. this happened in the last few minutes. we got a dispatch of the leader of the kurdish forces -- again, the kurds in the north of iraq -- that they've taken over kirkuk. the quote from the leader of that group is, kthe iraqi government forces led by nouri al maliki have abandoned their posts, and the kurds have taken over in kirkuk. you think this is&4qy moving fast? this is moving fast. and just in, wire copy and compter, vice president biden tells nouri al maliki that he should be prepared to intensi

i think it will enable or stabilize the region because the kurds are force of stability there are. west oriented they are secular more secular than the rest of the people and they are in good relationship with turkey so i think there might be a kind of triangle of very democratic or let's say them a crowd thick and the western oriented. groups namely or countries or i wouldn't say no stealing not a country but israel in turkey and the kurdistan if it ever declares independence so in my opinion it will be a force of stability for the whole region and we know that for ten years already the good this time of iraq is that is really a very stable was it's of stability israel and the kurds have rare history of corporation of course but that can you say that the same about israel and the us i mean is letting algiers in kurdish interests over washington. i think that the two parties in washington in israel do not see eye to eye on this issue on the could this time issue because the united states is still hoping to keep iraq as a unified state but it isn't a use of goal because it doesn't w

well iraq could be heading towards an even more fractured future as kurds have earned a strong ally for their strive for independence israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has supported their statehood a professor at tel aviv university dr r. for binny believes with an independent kurdistan the region has a much greater chance of peace. i think that the two parties at the washington israel do not see eye to eye on this issue on the kurdistan issue because the united states is still hoping to keep iraq is a unified state but it isn't a use of goal because it doesn't work anymore the kurds have been having a state of their own for a long time even though they did not declare it and iraq has no say in good use down of iraq the kurds are force of stability there are. worst oriented they are secular more secular them the rest of the people you know did for ten years already good this time of iraq is is really a very stable was this of stability. a look at some other world headlines now the israeli military have found three bodies near the west bank city of hebron believed to be those of

william hague wanted to make sure that the kurds were on board. so far the kurds since this crisis began have had very harsh words towards nouri al maliki. the british prime minister actually said that he should step down, blamed the state of the kurds in the country now and clearly said it's because he alienated the sunnis for all these years. at this point he should pay the price for what is happening in the country. i think what you're getting here is the kurds like the sunnis and shias are trying to make their starting point very well heard before any go to baghdad and before they start these very hard negotiations for a government. >> would they be negotiations? i can't see any sign of mr. ba sfwl ani retreats from the lines or giving up some territory the kurds have established on the backs of the retreating iraqi army where there's considerable tension between baghdad, not least of that issues that haven't been resolved for ten years. >> reporter: absolutely. there are tensions. actually, president barzani today said that article 140, we've

the kurds have reacted by creating a largely autonomous region in the north.hey say it a new iraq, and they want independence. nbc's ayman mohyeldin is in iraq. do you expect any movement after today's meeting? >> well, if there's going to be any movement, it's certainly going to happen in closed doors, and it's going to be very private. there's a lot of power sharing that takes place here in iraq. the way the constitution is set up. and more importantly, this country recently had elections. it's time for the presideime mir maliki to try and form a government. that's one of the issues secretary of state john kerry alluded to. constitutionally speaking, it could drag on for several more weeks. that's time iraq simply doesn't have. it's also one of the reasons why secretary of state kerry came to the region and tried to move this process along. in order to get the kurds and the sunni arabs into government again under the leadership of prime minister maliki, that is going to be a very tough sell. and as you mentioned, the kurds, they are power broke whers it come

when iraq could be heading towards an even more fractured future as kurds have earned a strong ally for their strive for independence israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has supported the state hood a professor at tel aviv university dr offer a bindiya believes with an independent kurdistan of the region as a much greater chance of peace i think that the two parties in washington in israel do not see eye to eye on this issue on the kurdistan issue because the united states is still hoping to keep iraq is the unified state but it is in use of gold because it doesn't work anymore the kurds have been having a state of their own for a long time even though they did not declare it and iraq has no say in the stand of iraq the kurds are force of stability there are. they are secular more secure than the rest of the people and you know that for ten years already could this time of iraq is is really a very stable wise's of stability. because some other world headlines now the israeli military have found three bodies near the west bank city of hebron believed to be those of the missing jewi

the kurds want to sell their own oil independently without having to channel the profits and the oillf through the iraqi market in baghdad. they've been trying to smuggle oil out of kurdistan and bring it to the global market to bring to europe and other places. that's a dispute that was really reaching a very difficult moment right up until the moment when these attacks by islamist militants really sent the iraqi military running and really emboldened the kurds. and there's been accusation from baghdad, of course, that the kurds were working with the sunni militants that weaken baghdad so they could assert their cause and economic rights. kurdish officials deny the allegations, but still, the kurds are the big winners in all of this. >> so what's the mood on the streets? are they concerned about the war that may happen further south? or the significant fighting that's going on around them in other towns? >> the feeling on the streets here, this is the moment for kurdistan. this is the moment for kurdish nationals. so there's a strong feeling that -- there's a strong feeling of shade

. >> rose: you end up kurds -- >> you'll have the kurds in the north.that's a very very bad outcome. >> because. >> number one you'll have sectarian violence. they will be fighting each other. civilians, iraqi civilians will die. there will be an awful lot of blood. there will be humanitarian crises. two is u.s. prestige will take another hit. we were going to create this new iraq, and we end up with a divided iraq, a partitioned iraq. third is that the sunni's aren't just the sunnies in in russian iraq. this is al-qaeda in russiantheya safe haven from which to attack western europe and from which to attack the homeland. forth is that it puts the kurds into an interesting position because the kurds have to decide do we just stay as part of this iraq that doesn't exist anymore or do we declare our independence. and if they were to declare their independence, then the kurds who are in turkey and the kurds who are in syria and the kurds who are in iran would want to join them. >> rose: is that a bad thing. >> that's5y7b a very bad thing because the turks w

who have now moved down into kurd cook could change the borders. but. it's it's certainly possible. that we're going to see some kind of realignment of sovereignty in that part of the world but it but it's a it's a hard thing to work out steve i'm going to give you the last word on the program would you will the united states continue to arm and back this government in iraq the u.s. will give this government limited support but you know the president president obama made the all conditional whether prime minister maliki would broaden the base of his government so far maliki hasn't done that he has not brought in the kurdish leadership in the way we thought he has not brought in the sunni lady leadership in the way promise and if that doesn't happen it's very hard for me to see where. us is going to really give you a very much supply quag the dog to me many thanks to my guests in boston and in and in new york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t. see you next time and remember. these are. some people say that when it happens to me o