always reminded of that time when i visit my friends in kurdistan. they have been principal victims during the 20th century in promises that were made and not kept. they would say -- if they heard mines that were drawn, these borders that were remarkably durable, they have suppressed our kurdish nationality. lead to oppression regime after regime, it is time for that to end. i'm sure you have read the articles by various members of the family you had to negotiate with for all those years. what do you think -- taking the issue of kurdish ambitions, both in 1918, but really more right as kind of a test case, what do you think about that? should be kurds have their own self-determined homeland? is that too dangerous for the region? what is your answer. emma: the region has always been multiethnic, multicultural, multilingual. it has never been anything other than that. kurds believe that they were promised a homeland and that has never been implemented. so, they feel a grievance. but almost for 100 years, the --ds have been the deviled have been bedevil

i don't think there will ever be an acknowledgment of an independent sovereign state of kurdistan bu but i think there might be different arrangements if that very negative situation arose it but turkey and america have a joint interest in saying that it doesn't risa let's wait this one out. >> larger associate myself with the ambassadors remarks. on the issue of existential threats, we were so not threatened and and exited way but everything was happening in the syrian conflict that we actually hesitate or a great deal when we thought we knew what should happen, that assad should go. we did a very, very good job of avoiding a substantial and categorical commitment to make that happen. that's because, frankly, it's collocated that's policy proposition what should happen in surrey and all the different players in syria is difficult and complicated or the only thing that comes to the point where forces on the ground was the emergence of an almost ridiculously evil group when you start cutting off heads. daesh sort tied our hands on this would because the american people are very hard t

specifically talking about iraqi kurd stan, not about greater kurdistan. >> so this is about kurdistanthe -- >> that's correct. >> that's because this enclave in northern iraq is the only place kurds have achieved a degree of autonomy thanks to the shrewd maneuvers of zebari's boss who has ruled this area for decades. some critics, including some kurds i've spoken to have said this isn't kurdistan at all. this is barzani, your president, who is carving out his own private little state. >> this is not about barzani. this is the wish, the dream of every kurd since he was born. >> u.s. officials say kurdish independence is probably a matter of when, not if. and that open conflict with baghdad could follow. the kurds have heard all the warnings and yet they are determined to go ahead with the vote on independence. >> we don't live on an island. we live with our neighborhood, with geography, history. we, therefore, are careful really how to present this. >> if you get a new state, across the world, the map is going to change. are you willing to accept the consequences of that? >> definitely

>> no commercial flights, commercial flights still go into kurdistan.phen: maybe spring break. >> that's how i relax in this new world we live in. >> >> stephen: i haven't had a chance, haven't seen you since you were nominated for emmys. (applause) >> stephen: the daily show, first female host in late night talk, to be nominated. >> thank you so much! i'll being, i'll -- i'll be hosting, put in a good word for you. "full frontal" hosts wednesdays on tbs, samantha bee, everybody! we'll be right back with gillian jacobs. stick around! new charmin ultra soft! it's softer than ever. new charmin ultra soft is twice as absorbent so you can use less. and it's softer than ever... so it's harder to resist. okay, this is getting a little weird. we all go, why not enjoy the go with charmin? liz assumed all dressingsrust were made equal. assume nothing. just like the leading brands, these kraft dressings are made with high quality ingredients, at a price you can feel good about. no wonder kraft is so good. on mi came across this housentry with water dripping from

but people do not observe that erbir in iraqi kurdistan territory?a isis was an -- within hours of occupying erbir. charlie: and also baghdad. javad zarif: yes, and we went to the aid of what -- of both. charlie: how? javad zarif: by sending advisers. was there withni weapons and advisers. it is the people of iraq who are fighting the terrorists. it was the kurdish people who fought the terrorists. they needed support and help, and they needed people who knew how to organize them. we were there within two hours of president barzani calling us to go to their assistance. those who are talking about a shia crescent should tell me where in that crescent iraqi kurdistan falls. these are just fear mongering scenarios, narratives that are created -- presented, elaborated, articulated in order to create fear. this is not what we are after. we have called for a political solution in syria, where ,verybody, shia, sunni, alwaite jews, christians, can participate in government. this is what we want. charlie: what do you think about president bashar al-assad what

turkey is competition so therefore, ever since woodrow wilson advocated an independent kurdistan, i've never heard of americans other than us who have served in turkey who know that fact. there's this general feeling of suspicion that the united states is always trying to clip turkey's wings, to deny turkey its rightful place in the sun. turkey isn't the only country that thinks this way. putin famously believes the greatest disaster of the 20th century was the collapse of the soviet union and even the germans who many respects have learned from 1933 to 1945 often feel that their historic and natural role is being inhibited by the united states. just a normal feeling. and thus, you have to try doubly hard to react to it. again, through no deliberate fault, the obama administration was a few hours slow and a few adjectives shy of an immediate response. immediate responses are important in diplomacy. putin got it more right than we did. and that's embarrassing. and so -- i think that we're just going to have to live with that. it just deepens the suspicion that was there long before this

maintain them so while in most middle eastern countries the role of women is limited in syria and kurdistan for instance women are represented equally on all government levels that's the law discrimination is for britain is it because they're in kurdistan isn't built on islamic law it's just a secular state which respects religion. well that's another problem what do we mean by islamic law and who defines it and who has implemented it so far we need to develop a discourse that goes beyond this dichotomy of secular and islamist. and to create a space where you have woman fight for women's rights but at the same time their faith and i am sure that in the syrian kurds kurds kurdish. case. their secularism is not anti religion so. the problematic that we have in our societies when you pose the word the term secularism became problematic and became and became. coined with atheism and to religion so the struggle is how to reconsider. both words walls the walled off shared a ya or islam islamic values and i mean by that islamic values and i would not necessarily i see it as islamic strict rulings

are you favour or against the independence of kurdistan? lam forthe independence of kurdistan?r the kurdish territory being pa rt i am for the kurdish territory being part and parcel of iraq. they know this, that is the condition for our support and we say this in all of our talks with the kurds in iraq. allow me, if i be, you asked questions related to climate and energy. the concern we had was, when it is about further forms of cooperation, it is this only about renewables, about low carbon technologies. how can we continue to cooperate, because the united states as regards gas, as regards clean coal, they want to deliver this to different countries. you might look then as if all of the others were supporting this as well. this is why we supporting this as well. this is why we clearly stated this is not the case. once you have the declaration before you, you will see that there isa before you, you will see that there is a very clear distinction there in the second, this second paragraph, it is only the position of the united states that is clearly staked out. can i come back.

everybody nawptz had it not been for iran rushing to the assistance in the iraqi kurdistan. we were there within two hours responding. we've had the consistent policy fighting those fighting terrorists and extremists. this is consistent. as i said in 2001 we were the ones supporting the people who were fighting al-qaeda. probably the only country that was providing active support to the people who became the future government of afghanistan, the iranians. we are the ones who are supporting fight terrorism and extremism in iraq in syria. we're not, we're not involved in saudi arabia. actually saudi arabia has been said by the new crown prince of saudi arabia is trying to take the fight to the iranian territory. >> rose: that's exactly what he said. they're coming after us and we'd rather fight in iran than fight in saudi arabia. that was part of what he said. they're coming after us and we'd rather fight in iran. >> we agree with the first part of his statement but we cannot neglect his own admission, that he is trying to insta gate terror inside iranian territory. >> rose: t

turkey's competition, so therefore ever since woodrow wilson advocated an independent kurdistan, and never heard an american other than those who served in turkey who knows that fact, and i have never heard a turk does not know that fact. there is a general feeling of suspicion that united states is always trying to clip turkey's wings, to deny them a place in the sun. turkey is not the only country that thinks this way. putin famously believes the greatest disaster of the 20th century was the collapse of the soviet union. even the germans, who in many respects have learned from 1933 through 1945, often feel their historic and the troll role is inhibited by the united states. it is a normal feeling. you have to try deadly hard -- try it doubly hard to react to it. the obama administration was a few hours slow and adjectives response,immediate immediate responses are imported in diplomacy. putin got it more right than we did, and that is embarrassing. so i think that we're just going to have to live with that. it deepens the suspicion that was there long before this administration and

those who are talking about a shia crescent should tell me where in that crescent iraqi kurdistan fallsese are just fear mongering scenarios, narratives that are created -- presented, elaborated, articulated in order to create fear. this is not what we are after. we have called for a political solution in syria, where everybody, shia, sunni, alwaite, everybody canws, participate in the running of the government. this is what we want. charlie: what do you think about president bashar al-assad what -- and what has happened to syria? mr. javad sharif: it is not my business to think about bashar al-assad. it is my business to think about the people of syria. we want them to decide for themselves. charlie: not your business? it is not say that -- my business, it is his business, no matter what he does -- mr. javad sharif: i think what has happened in syria has been the consequences of people redlinesyria imposing that this gentleman or another gentleman or lady should or should not be in the government. charlie: the issue is the use of chemical weapons -- mr. javad sharif: we reject the use

guest: the prime minister played a key role working with the president of kurdistan. various oil,ut energy problems and security problems and territorial problems. in addition, the leader of iraqi and much of the world's shia muslims down in southern iraq called for the people to rise up and not to turn on the sunni-arab brothers to the west in those areas were isis was growing. that is the combination we are looking to to keep the country from falling under the sway of the iranians because nobody wants to see that. you do have political figures in iraq to build on. that is not the case in syria, and other countries, unfortunately. host: white to make of the human rights watch calling for investigations of the iraqi forces investigating executions of detainees? guest: i'm sure they happened. i'm sure there will be no investigations coming to justice the way we would expect because in a situation like that, in most countries, things like that happen and you try to keep it to minimum but you can never get full justice. host: mike is in georgia, independent. go ahead. ca

are you in favor for or against the independence of kurdistan? i am for the kurdish territories being part and parcel of iraq. this is a condition for our support, and we say this in all of our talks with the kurds in iraq. >> allow me if i may before mr. freed takes the floor. because you asked questions related to climate and energy. whenoncern we had was that it is about what further forms of cooperation, is this only about lowwables, , how can weologies continue to cooperate? because the united states as regards gas, as regards clean coal, they want to deliver this mighter countries who look at all the others who are supporting this as well and this is why we clearly stated -- if you look at what you have, the declaration before you, you will see that there is a very clear distinction in the second thegraph, that it is only position of the united states. >> can i come back to the question of violence, madame chancellor? if there are recriminations, i would like to ask your opinion. people are saying it was a mistake to hold the meeting in a l

organizations like the kurdistan workers' policy and the movement of u. s. based cleric fit to lead grew lynn. the newspaper and its supporters say it's always been as critical of verbs outlawed organizations as a house of balloons government. little about. this trial is a test for charity richard type everyone says justice is balanced in cherokee aghaboe we'll see about that is just history. is the sense its independent or is it influenced by power as if you are going to come out of it or. the defendants were detained last october poems of the widespread government crackdown in the wake of a failed coup that leads to the imprisonment. of more than fifty thousand people. since then twelve of the defendants have been jailed five have been held it's cls about criminalizing journalism we're also here to send a message to the government. the world is what. in cases like this. which i tend to trample on human rights. bogus and. and avoid accountability. either ignored no. but with turkey ranking a hundred and fifty faith out of one hundred and eighty countries in

prints of the passion burger, who are keen to see an independent kurdistan rather than exceed to themmon enemy in islamic state, but if that common enemy is gone, state, but if that common enemy is o . state, but if that common enemy is gone, is there a chance they could turn on one another? by the way, isis is still there. it is in different places in iraq and western iraq. the fight will keep on. the rivalry is there between different shia factions and the kurds. they we re shia factions and the kurds. they were always thinking what would happen next. 0nce isis is out of the scene, not only in mosul but in all of iraq, first of all there will be a confrontation between the americans and the iranians. the 0bamas administration did not think of iran is their target, but isis as their target. but with donald trump saying about how he will deal with iran. in this case, the prime minister of iraq will be a bit difficult position, who can't hit things in his favour? it is the wrong time for the kurds to push their position because isis is not yet finished. the shia are holding a conferen

started the block in the kurdistan region of iraq sara -- iraq. it is down just under 6%.h denies nigeria ceo reports that he and the cfo have resigned. he says he is still working for the company. 's sharest company today are still lagging, down 7%. ratings change for national bank of abu dhabi securities, they are lifting the saudi bank to accumulate from the previous rate. 11 holes in one cell. average price target is just over 69.05. lines from turkish airlines. their ceo has made comments via twitter. electronic band is to be lifted on july 5. it appears they have made the necessary security changes to their systems to be able to resume those flights, and to be able to lift the ban. this is one of the major companies in turkey. lede: between the saudi coalition has brought qatar and turkey closer together. this support of the muslim brotherhood is now the heart of the gulf conflict, comforting a possible resolution. let's get to bloomberg's owner, what is turkey's role here? >> u.s. president donald trump during his trip to the middle into -- into the american airways

and use by armed groups, including isis, the popular mobilization forces, tribal forces, and the kurdistan party. where also concerned about what happens to this children with a recovered and make sure governments continue to provide services for those individuals when they are relieved from military forces. similarly with respect to burma, we continue to remain concerned that the government response to past instances of child soldiering -- the government has punished military officers who engage in the unlawful recruitment of child soldiers, but these punishments were not particularly stringent. they were more administrative. i was able to directly raise this point with government officials while traveling to burma in the severe. the 2017 report urges the burmese government to cease .fficial involvement to reform the military self-reliance policy and others that drive the demand for forced labor and to look at child soldiers, and again, when children are removed from the military, to work on re-integrating them into society. the narratives for those countries accurately and factually repo

. >> i don't think anybody caca stand agaiainst the bigig wave f people of kurdistan when they decide their destiny. maybe there will be some attempt to foil it. we will try our best not to let that happen. the september 26 plebiscite amy:the september 26 plebiscite could increase tensions in turkey, syria, and i iran, countries with sizable kurdish populations who fear an indedependent t kurdish state. meanwhile, in mosul, iraq, u.s.-backed kurdish and iraqi forces cornered the last of the city's isis fighters in a tiny stretch h of the c city on thehs of the tigris river. an iraqi commandnder sd d about 10,000 civililians remainedd trapped in the battle zone. back in the united states, the christstian craft chaiain store hobby lobby has agreed to pay a $3 million fine and return thousands of artifacts looted from iraq. federaral prosecutors say hobby lobby spent over in 2010 to $1.5 million purchase more than iraqi artifacts from a dealer 5000 based in the united arab emirates. the sales violated a ban on the sale of iraqi cultural artifacts in place since 2004. hobby lobby's owners

forces for much of the last few years and to help them potentially create a western kurdistan. a. landmass that potentially would even link up with with the kurdish territory in on the east of iraq and the third. objective that we're starting that's really starting to manifest in recent u.s. military actions in syria is holding the syrian iraqi border. and the most recent incidents between the syrian. forces and the u.s. military are in fact in a major border crossing crossing on the south east of the country there are three main border highways that cross from iraq syria into iraq the top most one is now occupied by kurdish forces u.s. backed forces the middle of the middle area who are who come out areas we've been hearing about in the news a bit is occupied by isis it's that southern border that the syrian forces had made major headway in recently and had taken most of that highway back until u.s. coalition forces entrenched themselves in a border garrison or garrison or town called close to the iraqi border and from there the u.s. coalition forces have several times shot at an

some situations independent kurdistan taking a lot of refugees or safe zones in syria. it helps.hose places compare to getting to europe or united states or other country in the west. people will still try to flow in. charles: another one for you, with all the focus on north korea's latest missile launch, do you feel the fight against terrorism gets overshadowed? >> when you're dealing with crisis like north korea, that is legitimate thing to cover, other stories that deserve attention don't get attention they deserve. this individual, abdullah, who was previously arrested in 1977, they found material for 50 bombs in his home was arrested again. he had a stockpile of guns. this was in upstate new york. according to sources within a group called muslims of america, sources that i obtained as well as someone i worked with martin moyer obtained this individual is not just one guy with a lot of guns. he is a close associate of this group, muslims of america, which is famous for having what they call islamic villages around the country. that is a big story. when you have a guy associa

what i mentioned the head of american espionage did europe in 1940 for the guy on the left and then kurdistan the french writer in the middle live you look closely below psyche is holding a wine glass for a martini glass in the french gentleman it was an adventure in many ways so one aspect hemingway's son deaf with the soviets. >> not to run the book but do know of anything he did in the 40's were rerun allies that was detrimental to u.s. soldiers?. >> what hemingway would have said he was the anti-fascist and everything he did was consistent with his anti-fascist passion and dedication so he signs up with the soviets because they are the great anti- fascist team then he joined with various american groups like outside paris is another way to fight fascism . did he do many things to hurt american interest? probably violating bsb and i rushed statute is the easy way so people like algeria's -- alger hiss had access to the secrets he gave them to the soviets that is classical espionage he was a government official but did not have access to official secrets but did he do damage to the united s