coco was born and also kurt cobain died. he is also a really interesting character in this book. and the story of kurt cobain and nirvana is told here, in a very personal way by you, different from what i've read before. what did you see in him and them? what gave you a sense that they were going to be something? >> well, they had these great songs, for one thing, that were almost like, i even think of them as, like, sculptural in their sort of minimal aspect of, like, the rhythm section. and, but, i don't know. just that kurt, he wasn't performing in the sense of entertainment, you know, or his idea of entertainment. you know, he was just taking it as far as he could. >> yeah. >> live performance. and if he felt frustrated or angry, he didn't really have a filter for that. >> yeah. >> frankly, i don't know what he was thinking. but, you know, when you see somebody hurl themselves on a drum kit, like that's not just -- >> that's a tell. >> that's not pete townshend smashing a guitar. >> right. >> you know what i mean? it's -- >> well, if he were here and i asked him a version of