early on, you worked with kurtis blow. my first artist was kurtis blow. that's correct, and he made christmas rap in 1979, and i remember that when the record came out, it was successful in amsterdam, and he and i got on a plane-- and i had never been on a plane-- and went to amsterdam, and the record execs took us out and bought us drugs, and it was like-- it was the most amazing thing that ever happened to me. i was thrilled that i was in the record business, and i was, you know, important, getting flown around, and i think that's when i was the most successful, 'cause that was an amazing transformation, just being able to travel and be part of a culture and actually be part of it growing within an industry. in some ways, your breakthrough came when you began to work with your brother and a friend, and run dmc came about. run dmc was-- i mean, run was waiting for an opportunity forever, and he and his buddy d.m.c. made these songs, and they were so honest. rap was going on a little bit of a tangent. there was some success in the rock clubs. that's where
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