kushner and it's because of the intelligence intercepts they reportedly have about jared kushner.is a big-deal story. in order to understand how this got to be so bad, you have to understand a little bit about the distance between how a normal american government handles this kind of risk, and what the trump administration has been doing. there's quite a distance. shortly before the election, staffers prepared a memo for chris christie, who was the head of the transition team. it concerned the sensitive matter of conversations with foreign powers. the memo said in part, because the current president barack obama is still in office, calls made during the transition period should be high-level non-substantive and should consist largely of diplomatic pleasantries. they were warned trump would be inundated with requests for thousands of calls from around the world, those requests would come through campaign staff, advisers, and other third-parties. according to this advice memo for the transition, trump must not accept these requests. requests must be methodically returned in a system

kushner told the new yorker quote, there was never a time, never, that mr. kushn kushner.was talking to the chinese government, not so much as a taker could he prove he didn't talk about business interest? is being described are u.s. intelligence about chinese co communications. chinese may be lying about what jared told them and may be conducting a plot to look like he was conducting a meeting. it may be made up by the chinese but if you've been taking solo meetings with the chinese government without protecting yourself against that possibility, then you have put china in a position to exert leverage over you. right? when they talk in intelligence circles about people being compromised, this is being compromised by a foreign intelligence operation. i mean, think back to those easy days after russia trying to get the floor plans and security arrangements for the american embassy in moscow, back in the cold war days. russia mounted an intelligence operation to get that material and the way they did it was convincing a lonely bored marine working security they should bend t

and it is not charlie kushner.is following their marching orders. >> and quickly, when you deal with the kushner companies because you have to with all of this reporting that you are doing, walk us through what is it like? do they share information? >> look, like we do with all of our sources and subjects of stories we reach out, give them ample time to review. and for this story they did give us comments, they give us comment about what their hopes and dreams are for the building. and we've previously done interviews for other stories that we've published with president trump mmar on rchlrm. >> gulliver's gate is quite cool. all right. thank you so much. and we are talking money, power, politics, you know we're talking about the trump family. and when we come back, vice president pence is wrapping up his overseas trip heading back to you washington, d.c. in a fe minutes. and during his last day in israel, he delivered the western wall earlier this morning. he was joined by a rabbi and another religious leader. he

the kushner blank is greasy.ng to go right through that, roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me. that's obviously bannon's fear, that there is all of this financial stuff that has nothing to do with the russia investigation that they're going to use to get don jr. and kushner to cooperate. >> i read it dirmt. i think what he was referencing and the investigation is headed this way is russian money laundering through kushner assets, which is i think the -- deutsche bank is actually being investigated for not just money laundering in general and its ties to the kushner family and their businesses but for russian assets. so i think there is a connection between those things, but i do think it's interesting it's not that steve bannon is saying, oh, something could have happened, he's actually pointing out potential illegalities, which i think is another reason investigators and congressional investigators should call him to testify. >> although, we should point out that bannon has been very clear on the r

kushner? >> kushner hasn't been charged with any crimes but troubling questions have been raised about his connections to russia. >> jared kushner is incredibly important for several reasons. he's a witness to virtually all the central issues in this investigation. he is also important because he's an independent actor. he is someone who had contact with russian representatives. >> kushner has not been forthcoming about those contacts. he was required by law to disclose them to the fbi to get a security clearance. but he has repeatedly admitted foreign contacts and had to submit his forms four times, sparking tough questions from both parties. his reasons for the revisions range from forgetfulness to a clerical error. >> there have been stories that have been appearing for months about jared kushner's meetings. >> december 1st, 2016, kushner meets with russian ambassador kislyak. in trump tower. that. >> russian ambassador came to new york. >> jared kushner met with the russian ambassador. >>

kushner?sn't been charged with any crimes but troubling questions have been raised about his connections to russia. >> jared kushner is incredibly important for several reasons. he's a witness to virtually all the central issues in this investigation. he is also important because he's an independent actor. he is someone who had contacts with russian representatives. >> kushner has not been forthcoming about those contacts. he was required by law to disclose them to the fbi to get a security clearance. but he has repeatedly admitted foreign contacts and had to submit his forms four times, sparking tough questions from both parties. his reasons for the revisions range from forgetfulness to a clerical error. >> there have been stories that have been appearing for months about jared kushner's meetings. >> december 1st, 2016, kushner meets with russian ambassador sergey kislyak in trump tower. >> that russian ambassador came to new york. jared kushner met with that russian ambassador. >> they discu

while kushner did resign his position as chief executive of kushner companies back if january, is hetill the beneficiary of trusts that own stakes in several major investments including kushner properties. those trusts are worth upwards of $761 million. making the financial future of kushner companies of particular interest. new reporting in the "new york times" shows just before accompanying the president to the middle east last may, kushner's family company received a $30 million investment from one of israel's largest financial institutions to put new equity into maryland apartment complexes owned by the kushner company. last november, bloomberg news reported that israel's largest asset manager helped finance his company $146 million purchase of an apartment complex in new jersey. the deal was questioned since the loan agreement carried particularly cumbersome financial conditions. and more reporting found kushner company coowns 15 buildings worth more than 150 million bucks with roz steinmetz, a member of one of israel's wealthiest families. roz steinmetz's uncle is a billionaire

the kushner expletive is greasy. they're going to go right through that and roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me. it was reported last month that federal prosecutors subpoenaed records from deutsche bank. that's the german bank that has lent hundreds of millions of dollars to jared kushner's property empire. but wolf, those are jarring, strong and damaging words from bannon. he's the man who helped usher donald trump right to the presidency. >> have we reached out to steve bannon for comment, the quotes in this new book? >> we are have reached out and not heard anything back yet. these are direct quotes from bannon himself. he spoke on the record. this is not the first time we've heard this fiery rhetoric from steve bannon. it was front and center at those rallies for roy moore in alabama and the first interview that he gave after he left the white house, he promised to wage war on the president's opponents. but now it seems he's waging war on really the president's inner circle. >> jessica schneider re

jared kushner has been waiting over a year. he received a interim clerns but yet to receive a full clearance. it hasn't been fully ajud indicated is the way they described it. his lawyers and aids have not been told what it is, but there's something in the process slowing it down. so it's become an interest in the national security community. was it his failure to list his meetings or dealings with the russians or his meetings with the chinese officials. these are the questions now. >> i have never heard of a year delay for someone in that position, or, in fact, any position. what are your sources telling you about that? is there any other precedence for a one-year delay for someone in jared kushner's position? >> there's been delays, i can't say there's been one this long. most importantly nobody has ever been in the position he's in now, experts say, which is waiting for more than a year and also a recipient of the presidential daily brief, he's included in this list which is 14 members of the white house, and the president,

kushner can't recall how many times they met.g the meetings he was without the assistance of china specialists in the government, he didn't want them to be part of the meeting. and from the chinese perspective, they got the key thing done, they wanted a summit, where they would focus on chemistry, and that's what they achieved. >> i know people are thinking, so jared kushner had a meeting with some chinese with the chinese ambassador he was alone in the room with the ambassador, what's the big deal? what could happen as a result of not having china experts present? >> well, this is sort of national security 101. as many people will tell you in government, when you meet with a foreign country, particularly someone that's not an alied country, you want a lineup of if i recalls with you, expert specialists and note takers. one they help you negotiate better, but more importantly they can provide a definitive record of what happened in the room. so if the chinese said says you agree to say, you have a position to defend. part of the

now, the kushner companies and jared kushner himself have said that they have been able to separate hime business. he resigned as ceo after january 9tht january 9th, but this points up the fact he remains difficult to untangle from his family business. he retains assets and as long as he does he is vulnerable to the possibility of being compromised. and this is what counterintelligence officials wanted to talk to him about when they briefed him in march. they held a closed-door briefing in jared kushner in which they said to him, they identified him as one of the leading targets of an influence operation in the united states from china but also from other major intelligence services including the russians and the israelis and they wanted him to be on notice this would be an ongoing concern. >> why is this dangerous? why should americans, chinese, europeans care about this? >> you know, in some sense this points to the challenge that the trump administration faced when it came into office under the banner of throwing out the best practices of american governance. what they said was that

so how did kushner exactly become china's go to man? >> the broker originally was during the campaign and it was kissinger, henry kissinger decide d to help jared get to know the chinese ambassador here in washington, an old hand, a real pro. because the chinese were trying fig oure out how to get closer people in trump's orbit. in their view considering some of the others around trump like steve bannon, jared kushner steams from a chinese perspective, a more reason bable interlocketer. >> you write kushner handled some of the meetings differently than past administrations. we mentioned meeting one-on-one with the chinese ambassador at least once. why is this so concerning to national security officials? so the way it works is generally speaking, the chinese always bring no takers, other staff to meetings because they're concerned that there maybe accusations that things were disclosed during those meetings that then would be discovered by chinese security services. you have a similar concern on the american side. what happens is these

was about business, referring to kushner as "the head of kushner industries."s expressed interest in kushner, including his role in the firing of james comey. can you say whether you are aware anyone who had advised your campaign had contacts with the russian investigation? >> how many times do i have did answer this question? >> the collusion question -- >> -- is not closed. >> to the best of my knowledge, no person that i deal with has. >>> when we return -- >> i have no dealings with russia. i have no deals in russia. >> but donald trump has made money with russians. >> i paid $40 million, i sold it for $100 million. and i sold it to a russian. 'sup, world? it's the box with 30% savings for safe drivers. coming at you with my brand-new vlog. just making some ice in my freezer here. so check back for that follow-up vid. this is my cashew guy bruno. holler at 'em, brun. kicking it live and direct here at the fountain. should i go habanero or maui onion? should i buy a chinchilla? comment below. did i mention i save people $620 for switching? chinchilla update

miller had at least typed kushner's version to fire comey. hicks had joined with kushner and his wife to draft on air force one the trump directed press release about don junior and kushner's meeting with the russians in trump tower. i don't need to tell you because your paper did a lot of this reporting, that story fell apart almost immediately and bob mueller's investigators turned over to the white house a list of six names. some of them believed to be individuals who may have been tied to these specific events. so i wonder what you're hearing today from folks close to bannon about whether he intended to throw staffers under the bus or whether he intended to suggest maybe the president wasn't well served by his own aides. >> well, that's just the thing. there is no overarching strategy here. and for somebody who has crafted an image of himself in the public eye as a master strategist, this was not a very masterful move, to throw the leader of the movement that you aspire to be an heir to, under the bus. but the reason, nicolle, this is so

he is the son of charles kushner .harles kushner is a real estate hasl, a billionaire who distinction characteristics of actually having been arrested and spending time in jail. amy: by chris christie when he was a prosecutor in new jersey. >> that is rare in the united states for a billionaire to spend time in jail. among other things, he hired a prostitute and had her photographed in order -- hired a prostitute to have his brother-in-law photographed, and then presented the video to his wife as a family gathering. jared kushner, he got into harvard university because the year he applied, his father gave $2.3 million to harvard. everybody agreed he did not have the grades or the test scores. these are people who profit from their parents profits. there is no knowledge that he possesses about the middle east. incidentally, it is the same thing with mohammad bin salman. his only interest -- he only has one interest. of course, the interest is to maintain his power that the saudi regime is a parasitic regime. work, liter

, curse word here, the kushner, curse word here, is greasy. they're going to go right through that. they're going to roll those two guys up and say play me or trade me. so if steve bannon has a point here, and we should remind our audience, deutsche bank isn't the only one to think about here, former deutsche bank chairman joseph ackerman was put on the board of the bank of cyprus by commerce secretary wilbur ross, bank of cyprus where we know or believe paul manafort was laundering money through. so how does the president's lawyers, who love to throw water calling all of this a hoax and a spoof and nothing, how do they handle these comments from bannon? >> well, i think the game's up here for president trump. steve bannon was an insider in the trump campaign, and inside the white house, all the way through last august. and he knows what's going on. he has the facts, because he's been in on the meetings with all these people. he may not have been at the trump tower meeting but i would be shocked if he didn't have knowledge of that before the p

deutsche bank look at suspicious kushner transactions.washington post," deutsche bank flagged suspicious kushner transactions. the german magazine charged deutsche bank had flagged suspicious information. but deutsche bank called the story wrong and says it's taking legal action. the bank telling me they have not submitted any report flag suspicious transactions as suggested by manager magazine. "mother jones" included the bank statement at the top of the piece along with the corporate statement that the kushner companies have done nothing wrong. there is no money laundering. "mother jones" didn't address the headline question. but said since we accurately reported the story and included the deutsche bank and kushner denials, we see no need for a correction. kushner tried to distribute its press release through a p.r. news wire and was turned down. the kushner firm told me the curb her report and other incorrect stories are a distraction. sometimes not even bothering to contact us before running with a story. the media's obsession with at

i think there's a real concern with kushner testifying and kushner possibly being exposed. >> let meabout this week, frank, because dianne feinstein unilaterally released the glenn simpson testimony about the trump dimitrios papadatos -- dossier. the defense that was made by senator grassley is that you have tainted the memories of potential witnesses that we're going to call that they can decide to corroborate or stay away from. >> yeah. as a general rule, no investigator or prosecutor likes to see leaks while in the middle of conducting a serious investigation. i know senator feinstein had her reasons for doing so. it shows the belief that this is a very partisan process on the hill. the emphasis has to be on the mueller inquiry over the hill inquiry. and i think senator feinstein wanted folks to know there's a graver danger from russia, it's not getting the attention it needs, i'm letting the testimony goes because it shows that the dossier was not the origin of the investigation and that even christopher steele felt that things were so suspicious he ran to the fbi with what he kn

if he is imperilled who would jared kushner choose between? his father or father-in-law? >> the -- in the book steve bannon calls don junior freido. the weak son in "the god father." we have seen steve bannon come out with a statement in which he says that his comments in the book, now famous comments about the don junior meeting at trump tower in the campaign of russians treasonous, that was not aimed at don junior. he said that was aimed at paul manafort but acknowledge in that statement he does not dispute. he has an opportunity to, he does not dispute a single word in this book attributed to steve bannon. >> no. i think he tries to try angulate the least -- the least revision he can and that's to say it's about manafort. but trust me. it was about -- it was about don junior. it was about freido. it was about as he says don junior will be cracked like an egg on national television. >> and don junior's not the only one. he says that donald trump's long-time lawyer michael cohen to be cracked like an egg and has these complicated relationships. but a lot of the bannon st

that meeting also attended by paul manafort and jared kushner.annon later said he was referred to manafort, not donald trump junior. in that book he also says there was a zero percent chance that then-candidate trump did not know about the meeting, did not meet with any of those russians afterwards and did not discuss that with donald trump junior. as we know, donald trump jr. testified under oath he did not inform his father about that meeting afterwards. now, bannon was not in the trump campaign at that time, so lawmakers are going to ask why did you make that assertion in michael wolff's book. he's not the only person, wolf, who we should look for to testify this week. another former campaign official, corey lowe endewendow expected to talk largely about contacts he had with the trump foreign policy advisor, george papadopolous, who we know pleaded guilty to the fbi after lying about his contacts with russians during the campaign season, wolf. >> interesting. the house intelligence committee moving forward with these interviews. paul manafort,

but this is somewhat personal for kushner.is father, a developer charles kushner, served a 14-month federal sentence. jonathan capehart is an opinion writer for "the washington post" and msnbc contributor and tim o'brien is executive editor of bloomberg gadfly and bloomberg view, also an msnbc contributor, and the author of a donald trump biography. jonathan, let's first get to prison reform. this is something that democrats can get on board with. it's something people who did not vote for donald trump, didn't think donald trump would be their champion, can get on board with. do you think this could take off and move the feelings about donald trump in a positive direction among those who don't like him? >> okay. put the president aside for a moment. keep in mind that prison reform was something, and criminal justice reform but particularly prison reform is something that was being worked on on capitol hill in the senate in the last year of the obama administration. remember famously senators cory booker, democrat of new jersey

how does tony blair know jared kushner, that's a fascinating little piece in and of itself that we'll have to save for another time. or just buy the book. >> i was -- when that happened, so much happened, i'm sitting on the couch in the west wing and there is jared kushner and tony blair caming out -- >> you see them together. >> i overheard -- i'm over hearing the discussion in which i obviously immediately take a note on, and they're talking about the difficulties of the middle east situation and jared says to tony blair, damnit, we can solve this problem. >> and that's in the lobby of the west wing? >> yeah. >> it's kind of like a hotel lobby, and people pass through from each side of it. and that kind of moment can occur. i remember working in the senate finance committee going up for a tax meeting, there's the cia director sitting in a chair. you have these encounters that only happen in that lobby. >> they pass you in, you go there, the appointment drifts. it drifts. >> you wait and you wait and you wait. >> and you think, this is really annoying, and how can they do this to me?

and jared kushner were thinking. we just learned that the australians, when they learned of some information, picked up the phone and made a call to american authorities about it. so, the question is continuing to be begged, i think, as to why didn't they? >> and if i can just raise one more thing about bannon's comme comments. the reference to deutsche bank is very significant. because it's not just jared kushner who had hundreds of millions of dollars of dealings with deutsche bank. it was donald trump, as well. a lot of the bigger banks, the citi banks, the chase banks, by this decade, wanted nothing more to do with donald trump. so it was deutsche bank that donald trump dealt with a lot. and if the mueller prosecutors are looking at deutsche bank, boy, that is a big, big subject. i certainly don't know if there's any criminal activity to be disclosed there, but that is sympathetic that will certainly give the trump people a lot of pau pause. >> and we have fusion gps, which is the firm that commissioned this doss

so kushner is a vital link here. and it's surprising that the senate judiciary committee is kind of, well, it's somebody else's fault he's not showing up. the chair's got the power and he ought to subpoena him. >> what to you make of him releasing the don jr. transcripts? >> i think the testimony should have been public to begin with because i think the public has an important opportunity and right to see what these key witnesses are saying. i mean, i remember in the house judiciary committee when we did the impeachment inquiries, some of the witnesses we saw and heard from were behind closed doors. some of the key witnesses were not behind closed doors. the senate watergate exity heard the key witnesses in public. john dean, john erlikman, bob holdiman. because the american people wanted to know what was going on, and i think that's critical. the other thing i wanted to say is president trump has a lot of bravado at work here. he doesn't want to show -- when he says he wants to show up, he doesn't want to show that

he doesn't like jared kushner.e all know this is a duel to the death between those two. >> going back to what jim was talking about, the idea that these guys -- and i think what you were saying, was that these guys did not expect trump to win. >> no. >> and that includes people inside the campaign. >> right. >> i think that is a theme that we keep coming back to as we've been covering this story now for the past year, which is that it drove a lot of the decisions which is coming back to bite them. >> they did not -- for instance, they talk about michael flynn accepting this $45,000 payment for going to russia. on the expectation that trump wouldn't win therefore it would be a problem if he was setting up business contacts for -- >> right. >> he supports that theory, exactly. and, you know, also the fact that, as you pointed out, evan, this was authorized. he made repeated visits to the west wing. what does that tell you about just the administration allowing a writer to come in in these early days and have free acc

and jared kushner. and for the president that is a real kind of dividing line here. i think that bannon has spoken out of turn one time too many with his statements in this book. i think, look, we all know there is no love lost between steve bannon and jared kushner. i mean, they're at war with each other, openly and publically. and i think that -- i think that today that steve bannon is on the losing end of that, because the president has now been completely alienated for the time being. i'm not going to say forever because nothing is forever with donald trump. >> david, steve bannon went further and this is remarkable, saying this is all about money laundering, and he pointed to the deutsche bank. echos of what we heard from many others, including the fusion gps founders. how damaging is that for the white house to hear it from steve bannon, not necessarily from democrats or critics. >> quite damaging. one you think of steve bannon as an al lie of president trump and he is laying this out there for everyone to hear. the other is he has this theory of the case, at l

>> i haven't made that charlie kushner connection until you just did. want to answer that, but i think this goes into the bucket of these big, big projects that are under jared's wing that seem sort of intractable. the other two are present skeptical that he'll make major strides. kind of like putting in charge of peace in the middle east, great if he can make progress. but really the chances of making major strides on these issues is small. so the question is he's doing these big projects but how much can he really achieve? how effectual is he being in there is the question. >> have we missed something here, annie? is jared kushner, is he qualified to lead an effort to reform prisons in this country? is there something perhaps that makes him uniquely qualified that we don't know about? >> no. this is -- you know, we're in year two now and asking the same question we were asking about kushner from the beginning. he's qualified in the diplomatic realm. you could say he's qualified because he's seen by world leaders as someone who really has the president

then jared kushner would get his turn. your thoughts, david. >> look, there's so much there, joy, listen, this is a perfect snapshot of the dysfunction of today's republican party. while we're focused on trump and bannon today, the important thing is this. for my fellow republicans, you broke it, you bought it. this is what happens when you follow a charlatan. this is what happens when you follow somebody incapable of leading a nation and a party. this is what happens when you follow somebody who is using politics and the white house only for his own fame and to enrich his personal fortunes. look what happened today. less than one year in, look at what today meant for the republican party. we have a president declaring war probably for the second time on twitter against a nuclear armed north korea. we have doug jones taking the oath of a united states senator, a democrat from one of the deepest republican states in the entire country. we have two senior advisers, forget they're steve bannon, jared kushner, donald trump jr.

kushner holds this troubled investment on fifth avenue in new york.looked doomed before the election night miracle. almost immediately after the election, he sat down with these chinese investors with bottles of wine, to figure out how to save some money. the kushner properties are sustained, with chinese investors looking for visas. if you buy an apartment in a kushner that visa is yours. >> david, when you think about what was the better part of a decade that republicans, through what began as the white water investigation, went after president clinton and the first lady hillary clinton, that all began because of a possible conflict of interest of some sort, financial conflict of interest of some sort, while he was governor of arkansas, all involving numbers that would be less than a month's rent in the world of the trumps. >> well, i think one of the things that's hard for people to keep track of is how new a lot of our ethical standards are in american politics. most of what you think of as the ethical regime that governs american politics was con

the kushner blank, he says, is greasy.y will roll those two guys up and say, play me or trade me. so bannon, who first of all, carol, as you are well aware, hates jared kushner. basically is saying -- >> or paul manafort. >> and he does not like paul manafort but he's basically following the money. and the backdrop to anybody who has talked to steve bannon knows he's constantly spinning his perspective on this. and if he hates jared kushner and paul manafort, this could be his spin on this. >> sure, he does not like them. the don jr. shots he was taking, saying they will crack him like an egg on national tv. but his overall suggestion was that mueller is going to try to get don jr. and jared kushner essentially to flip and deliver donald trump. and, you know, that is -- for someone that he worked with for this long -- >> in the oval office. >> correct. is really significant. and even as things go with steve bannon in terms of being bombastic in what he says, it stands out. >> this is not the only development when it comes

steve bannon has never been in business with jared kushner and is not a real estate guy.der was saying, this is money laundering, they could know something. could steve bannon know something that is helping mueller or is this palace intrigue? >> i don't know that bannon knows something specific but he is reflecting things other people said, as well. that is, seeing the links between the trump family, the kushner family and russia, how are those links made? were they made through loan arrangements, to what extent the russian banks own interest in trump loans? who was buying apartments? what investments did they want? a lot of what you're seeing if you're mueller is, okay, what are the connections? it doesn't have to be quote, unquote, money laundering. just as it didn't have to be quote, unquote, treason. sometimes we get caught up in some of these words, as opposed to focusing, as you were saying before, this is a meeting that was set up in order to give dirt by a foreign power. that in and of itself is a bad thing. so i think what mueller trying to do is look at, okay, r

he did this in 2017 and this is when jared kushner and ivanka were complaining about bannon. i did not think we would see the fireworks that we saw today. normally we see fireworks on new year's, not right after. and this has been extremely unusual. saying that steve bannon ahad nothing to do with the campaign or had nothing to do when the white house is like saying david axelrod had nothing to do with the white house. he was there at the beginning of the barack obama campaign -- >> but he was there when the "access hollywood" tape came up and reince priebus was getting off the train. >> and he was seen as the solution and to be fair, the reality is if they had not made that change, all of the trump advisers agree that trump would have not won. he was comfortable with bannon. that was a relationship. he liked bannon. that has dissolved into something else and the comments that bannon made about trump's son -- don jr. has -- and they've been attacking them for a while now but this isn't ban -- bannon's own voice attacking his son, accusing him of treason, saying he must have k

jared kushner who says he's a businessman. he's a business heir. >> bannon understands how power works. bannon understands that the mueller investigation, even if it starts and is launched around collusion with the kremlin, is going to expand in many directions beyond that. one of the things that is the most dangerous to the trump family and the kushner families is an investigation into their financial dealings that touches on money laundering. they're vulnerable on this. it's going to have consequences. mueller has a very sophisticated team of financial bloodhounds working with him and they're going to get at this. >> is team trump underestimating the power of mueller? >> yes. >> here you are this morning with the president saying this russian thing is a hoax. you're going, hoax? do you remember what's going on with mike flynn, paul manafort, george papadopoulos? >> he's been very successful, we have to give him, during the campaign and at the beginning of his presidency of denying things that are true. >> yes, for sure. >> a

meeting, the committee wanted to interview, the committee will not interview jared kushner. according to grassley, kushner is spooked by the release of the separate transcript by dianne feinstein of that fusion gps, opposition research firm. they did not like the way it was released. as a result, kushner has not agreed to come to the committee and grassley says they will not interview him. so at least we won't see what jared kushner said, but we'll get a sense of what donald trump jr. said to the committee. >> manu raju on capitol hill, thank you so much. >>> now straight to ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley speaking at the u.n. >> and when he made that decision, he went to jerusalem and delivered a speech before the israeli knesset. that he went to the knesset was courageous in itself. but what took real courage was what he said there. sadat did not go to jerusalem on bended knee. he spoke in no uncertain terms about the hard concessions he expected from the israelis. and then he said the words that both he and the world knew marked a turning point. he said to the israeli

he calls jared kushner greasy. quote, what has he gotten himself into with the russians?annon he went to russia and thought he was going to meet putin but putin couldn't give a bleep about him so he kept trying. let's go to white house correspondent jim acosta. ahead of the briefing. many questions to be sent to sarah sanders. what's the response to the president to all of this? >> reporter: well, brooke, i think this book, fire and fury has lit trump world on fire. that is what we are seeing today this war of words between the president and chief strategies steve bannon is nothing short of stunning and perhaps capable of what was over shadowing a tweet twrt president less than 24 hours talking about the size of the nuclear button. but just in the last couple of hours president has put out a statement with respect to what steve bannon had to say in that book, fire and fury, and so has the white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders saying that former

kushner finances, not just jared kushner but his father charles kushner and those deals with russians and all sorts of unsavory characters. in fact, that's what bannon says is the real concern here, not russian collusion but money laundering and financial crimes by either jared kushner or people in the trump organization. >> right and it talks about ivanka trump's concern along with that about the family finances. there's always been -- and this is why the senate committee was looking into this and mueller has expanded his authority to look into this -- we're following the money. what's the motivation for this? that's been the big question. why is trump worried about russia? because probably there's family financial dealings, there's a motivation for any of these activities that would have taken place. we don't know any of that yet but the money piece has always been a key part of this and that's why the investigative bodies are looking into it. >> don't go anywhere. the president threatening to sue the publisher of the book "fire and fury." he has a long history of making empty lawsu

or manafort or kushner at different times?ou have a lot of angles you can go in terms of your questions. is this going to be bannon the loyal trump supporter that comes in, or is this the one that maybe has fights with the kushners or manafort or kushner at different times? you have a lot of angles you can go in terms of your questions. >> jennifer, both lewandowski and bannon have some hard bark on them. this is not their first rodeo, they've been in the life of positively tickets. hope hicks not yet 30 years old. starts life as a ralph lauren model. enters the trump circle by doing some web marketing for ivanka's website and ends up part of this. she's now so close to the seat of power, it's a very different calculation having a hope hicks before your committee or your staff. >> well, you know, it really shouldn't be, right? all three of these people should be going in and they're testifying under oath, they should be telling the truth. there shouldn't be any kind of who is going to shade and who is going to be more keepable

but hopely jared kushner can get him more invested in the process. >> does jared kushner have what ites? now you'll pylon criminal justice reform. he doesn't have any tangible power, does he? you may have heard him speak before but public doesn't know. >> a lot of it has to be done by law where enormous resistance. and the tragedy of this -- >> jared kushner is not a lawmaker. >> he's not. all he can do is bring attention to most of these issues. this needs state, some is admin stra . >> if are you a prisoner and need to call home, you shouldn't have to pay 40 bucks to make a collect phone call. thangs are human justice issues that jared kushner could have impact. but jeff sessions wants behind bars, doesn't want to lessen any offenders, any nonviolent offenders charges. >> is it a blow to jeff sessions who wasn't invited to camp david? >> who knows. he's been so publicly flailed by donald trump consistently, hanging on by a thread. >> he has more than jared kushner. >> it is. >> no matter what is happening here, i frmly believe there is good news somewhere. and i end the show always