yes. >> kwame kilpatrick. what went wrong there? >> greed. >> just old school? >> greedy. the beginning. and when he was -- and i was one of his biggest critics. but when he got in trouble, who did he call? he called me. >> called you. >> i should have listened to my wife. she said, don't be messing with them. >> are there good guys out there who could presumably run for office and win? >> there's a lot of guys, yes, but they don't want to run. there's a lot of people -- >> why won't they run? >> you've got to take the bad that come along with it. you got to take the garbage. >> why should a bright young guy out of -- fresh out of law school start thinking about running for anything in the city of detroit? >> sooner or later, it's going to be all right. it's going to come -- it's going to be all right. it's a tough town. >> is detroit going to turn things around? i could lie and tell you, yes. but you know what? this city's screwed. only place i've ever been that looks anything like detroit does now? chernobyl. i'm not being funny. that's the truth. >> abandoned, abandoned

the last mayor, kwame kilpatrick is currently serving time in the jug for some of his less hilariouslyan seems to be going on. adolf mago. political strategist, orrical, survivor. he's seen it all. >> i know what i'm having but i'd love a beer. >> miller, miller lite? >> it is a discounted place, man. i thought you drank, man are you drinking beer? >> what are you drinking? >> i'm drinking vodka. >> i'll have -- i'll have what he -- fold under pressure. then i'll think about it a burger down the way. you having something to eat? >> i'm eating. >> all right, i'll hold back. i will stick with this -- >> i'll get you your drink and you can decide. >> thank you. >> i have to ask, you're born and raised in the detroit area? >> right. >> an academic star, marine corps, journalism. why did you never run for office? >> you have to be crazy. you know what? they don't want straightforward politicians. they don't last. you have to be real cold-blooded. being an elected official is like working for the drug cartel. you can't give anybody any mercy. >> it seems like whatever might be in your heart

. >> kwame kilpatrick. >> i was going to say, they're in a lot of trouble. the mcdonnells are in a lot of trouble. also in virginia, there are term limits, so it's an argument, maybe, against term lumpts. if you have to run for another campaign, you're going to watch yourself, but they were in, one and done. 94 years. i think there's temptation. as much as i think we should have term limits, this might be a little too short. >> your lip is quivering. >> i think virginia is the last state with one term, and they ought to rethink that. kentucky was the last one before that. when you look at states with one terms, there's more corruption. >> agreed. >> got to get it all into four years. >> that's right. >> can we point out, this is a federal indictment, so it's kind of unusual to come from the feds rather than within the state. >> can i say something really quick? i said the governor of kentucky, why do you only have four-year terms in the state? he said, son, if you couldn't make $30 million in this state as a governor, you ought not to be governor. >> was he