yes. >> kwame kilpatrick. what went wrong there? >> greed. >> just old school? >> greedy. in the beginning. and when he was -- and i was one of his biggest critics. but when he got in trouble, who did he call? he called me. >> called you. >> i should have listened to my wife. she said, don't be messing with them. >> are there good guys out there who could presumably run for office and win? >> there's a lot of guys, yes, but they don't want to run. there's a lot of people -- >> why won't they run? >> you've got to take the bad that come along with it. you got to take the garbage. >> why should a bright young guy out of -- fresh out of law school start thinking about running for anything in the city of detroit? >> sooner or later, it's going to be all right. it's going to come -- it's going to be all right. it's a tough town. >> is detroit going to turn things around? i could lie and tell you, yes. but you know what? this city's screwed. only place i've ever been that looks anything like detroit does now? chernobyl. i'm not being funny. that's the truth. >> abandoned, abando