sami: let's bring kwandiwe into the discussion.iwe was just saying there, this is about more than simply the security situation, right? first of all, let me ask you, kwandiwe, have the pro-zuma elements been neutralized? are they still able to form and perhaps move again? kwandiwe: look, the difficulty first is to talk about the pro-zuma elements. as if they exist out there as a very coherent force. it is very difficult to really put a hand and a finger on what you can call -- this is a pro-zuma element in the anc. mr. zuma is a member of the anc. and definitely, as former president of the anc, he does have some anc members who are still very supportive of him. and of course, there have been tensions and squabbles within the ruling party. but it is not easy to just recuse everything to pro-zuma elements versus ramaphosa elements. the anc is a big organization. there are lots of ideological positions and perspectives that you find within the anc. and these perspectives sometimes are not necessarily for zuma and against ramaphosa, or