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is an astonishing kwasi kwarteng.on member states, who can't control their own borders for love and money, apart from the exception of italy, who are actually getting tough and turning back boats and now strengthen their own borders and blaming brexit. so what's going on? and dennis knows far more about europe than i do, but i know a little bit. you've got german elections next year and it's very clear to pretty much everyone that the centre left coalition, which is what it is, will probably be replaced . so will probably be replaced. so heading into the election, i think you can tell that they're going to be very, very tough on immigration and they want to sort of essentially ward off some more right wing parties. and some of them are pretty unpleasant, actually, on this particular issue. this is pure politics, as far as i can see. and in france, you've got a similar situation. macron almost totally , inexplicably blew up totally, inexplicably blew up his majority , calls a general his majority, calls a general elect

people like priti patel, kwasi kwarteng, suella braverman and the prime minister and james cleverly andted by those on the left who considered them somehow to have betrayed their race, which to me is straightforward, racist politics. >> one labour mp said kwasi kwarteng didn't sound like a black man when she listened to him on the radio because he expressed conservative views. what do you think about this coconut right now? >> i do not sound like an asian woman, do i? well, you sound like a very fabulous lady and a leading comedian by the way. >> i mean, you're dismissing this coconut thing, but in a sense it invokes race, doesn't it? because it's about the colour of the coconut. >> i think when someone is called a coconut and someone who hears the word coconut all the time, i think i have a bit of a fair kind of reading on what coconut is, and i don't think it's offensive. i don't get offended when somebody calls me a coconut. i know what they're trying to say, but it evokes exactly what it doesn't. >> something which invokes skin colour have inherent racist echoes to it. no, it doesn'

i'm joined by lloyd russell—moyle, former mp for brighton and hove, and kwasi kwarteng, former tory mpter lloyd. i mean, quite extraordinary events, but funny, isn't it? israel this very high tech state. and yet on october 7 they were caught with the door open. it seems bizarre , yes, but open. it seems bizarre, yes, but there's been lots of criticisms, haven't there, about the intelligence on october the 7th, i think this, you know, there will be some that are, worry that it's a new phase of war. >> as the, secretary of defence said, i actually, you know, and i'm not a, i'm not the biggest cheerleader for israel out there, but i must say targeted killings of belligerents in this kind of manner seems far better than bombing. and, and mass captivity, which is what they have done elsewhere. that's a fair point. if it's a more targeted phase of belligerence, killing belligerents and civilians, not i mean, you'll always get some. >> there was a ten year old girl killed. >> you will always get some. yeah, but but 110 year old girl out of 3000 compared to compared to what we're seeing in gaz

i'm joined in the studio by kwasi kwarteng, former conservative member of parliament and chancellor jaylips and paddy ashdown's former press secretary, and many other things. campaigns, media. but i'm joined first down the line by ivor caplin , former line by ivor caplin, former labour defence minister, who joins me from brighton. and it would be fair to say, ivor, that there have been some conservative voices questioning this over the years, but i understand you fully support what the government have done today. >> absolutely, nigel, i think this was the right decision to make. i know it's an early decision in terms of where we are as, as, as a as a, as a commons. but obviously there's work to do up until you get to the budget. and so by dealing with this one and dealing with all the issues i think that's right. can i just help? i hope right. can ijust help? i hope this is helping anyway and just say one thing, i heard you just say one thing, i heard you just say about 52 labour mps , but say about 52 labour mps, but what we do actually know is only 12 of those are actually people who,

the last time i saw. you was in the american ambassador residents when kwasi kwarteng had been fish outy, making sure it is _ caring about taxpayer money, making sure it is well— caring about taxpayer money, making sure it is well spent, _ caring about taxpayer money, making sure it is well spent, public— sure it is well spent, public services _ sure it is well spent, public services but _ sure it is well spent, public services but that _ sure it is well spent, public services but that they - sure it is well spent, public services but that they are l sure it is well spent, public. services but that they are not sure it is well spent, public- services but that they are not taxed too much — services but that they are not taxed too much i— services but that they are not taxed too much iworry— too much. i worry the labour government will— too much. i worry the labour government will put - too much. i worry the labour government will put very - too much. i worry the labouri government will put very high too much. i worry the labour- government will put very high taxes on two _ government wil

and then you reveal that liz truss through kwasi kwarteng under the bus, told you that it was his fault course, ends up having to resign several days later after kwasi has gone . and you have kwasi has gone. and you have this strange episode where you go to just explain this before we go, you go to see her at number 10, you go to advise her to resign. but by the time you arrive, she pretty much knows what she's doing. but then you have to stay in number 10 because there is a press pack behaving like vultures outside. >> i didn't have to stay, but i offered to stay and again, the odd experience that i had of doing this on more than one occasion, i was very much aware that if i walked out of the front door of number 10, there would be 200 journalists there. and cameras. yes. and asking you , and cameras. yes. and asking you, what have you discussed? >> what have you said? yes, yes. >> what have you said? yes, yes. >> so i said it would be much easier if i can either have a car to take me back to the palace of westminster, which of course is very close by, but it's the only way you can get

i think what's really interesting with lammy solingen rupa huq said that kwasi kwarteng was superficiallyeople like lammy were completely silent about it. and so i think it's really important. i know xi jinping is a very good example, but even just taking a step back within their own party, they were not willing to call out that kind of racism just on one thing, just to crowbar this in right at the end, if you don't mind, which you mentioned about some of the domestic issues. >> well, lord waheed ali is a problem for labour at the moment. absolutely. they're sugar daddy for goodness knows how long by the looks of things. absolutely. but now the latest is this business of him. he went and met bashar al assad several times and then didn't want him to be deposed. well, that's very curious. >> that's right. that shows that he he far from being just a kind of no strings bankroller because he supports the labour party. he has his own particular political agenda, and some of it seems very unappetising . so that very unappetising. so that really is a big problem for keir starmer. he got far too c

i mean, in fact, to listen to the labour party, you would have believe that liz truss and kwasi kwartengsite why the federal reserve in america would have increased their interest rates based on the mini—budget. i think is a complete fantasy. so she you may say that she didn't carry out the economic policy that particularly adept fashion some people suggest, but the real truth was we were going to return to normal interest rates at some point in time. we're pretty much there now. back to interest rates being modestly higher than inflation. that's a sensible and normal place to be. and the mere fact that we'd had 10 or 15 years of getting drunk on cheap credit wasn't the fault of liz truss. we all got rather more used to it. so reality is back. interest rates are back to normal. that means our debt repayments are colossal, expensive. best part of 100 billion a year. when i last looked and sooner or later the labour party, the conservative party, any party that wants to form a government is going to have to have a much more serious conversation about finding savings and reducing expenditure

sense or the lack of backbone to do the chicken run before the votes were cast, the likes of kwasi kwartenghat they left behind. others decided to face the voters. and while i am not one to revel in other people's misfortune , i have to say i misfortune, i have to say i enjoyed every single portillo moment. in the early hours of july, the fifth. it was a roll call of political failure. gillian keegan gone grant shapps gone. penny mordaunt gone. jacob rees—mogg gone . and of course , rees—mogg gone. and of course, the former prime minister that couldn't outlast the lettuce . couldn't outlast the lettuce. liz truss gone . all now liz truss gone. all now political history. congress. goodbye and good riddance to every single one of them . now every single one of them. now they may be gone, but their miserable legacy remains. the legacy of public services ruined by negligence and austerity, the legacy of an economy shattered by a shambolic brexit. and the legacy of a britain divided by nasty culture wars, dodgy ppe contracts and downing street parties. it has been a tough 14 years for the people

liz truss, kwasi kwarteng and made jeremy hunt a chancellor and apparently one of the first things hely just made him chancellor. and he told her, you're going to have told her, you're going to have to resign. and she did very quickly afterwards. and the other thing he reveals is that one of the rumours of why rishi sunak called the election, no one could really understand why he did it. when he did. and one of the rumours was it was because there was a lot of letters of no confidence in. that's right. >> we were sort of saying it and it was nearly 50 letters or something. >> exactly. well, it turns out there was only ten, so there was nowhere near the threshold. and he said when he, when, rishi sunak said to graham brady before he announced it, i'm going to call an election. he says at that specific moment, there were ten letters of no confidence. and my safe, where he kept his legs. so it's really juicy stuff. >> it is . i like a juicy memoir >> it is. i like a juicy memoir because it all comes out, but then i think there's some bits where people can't defend themselves because he a