former arizona republican senator, jon kyl, former north dakota senator, byron dorgan. senator doug began, i would like to goin with you. this nancy posi dust-up seems to get traction with members concererned they're on a walking off the plank thing with this health care law. are they? >> i don't think that's much of a story honestly. the story that i had read in one of the journal was about some frequenter men. freshmen come here. they're always nervous what they can or can't do. so you lose some freshmen votes on some things. nancy pelosi in most cases had a pretty unified caucus on the big issues. neil: yaw, but this is unpopular issue, senator with a lot -- in the country the president claimed it is because republicans are constantly bemoaning the health care law but the fact of the matter i think it is higher premiums are scarin off avege americans. not so much what republicans saying about it. do those democrats, freshmen or otherwise to your point, have a point? >> in addition to some higher premiums in some areas, there are rebates to other consumers around the

neil: nator kyl, let me switch around to your party's woes and whether we're making too big of a deal on it whether security and privacy issues the like, it ems to opened up a wound within the party ming nce between the likes of rand paul and chris christie isn't changing. is this sort of like ap 1964 all over again for republins where you have the rockefeller liberals and the goldwater conservatives or their versions today going at it? >> well, both parties are groups of people who come together for common good but who may believe differently on some things. and as charles krauthamer pointed out in his very interesting column today in the washington post, this does go back a long way. i'm not sure to the 1960s as you have say. the has always been two strains for republican party. one for more interventionist policy, e less so. they came together afterhe cold war and 9/11. now that sometime behind us, not too big of a surprise that you would have that debate cropping up again. can i say one other thing about what byron said. think he is absolutely right and it is impmportant for folks

mccarthy pete sessions and jeb hensarling pete hoekstra and dan longer and republican senators jon kyl now heritage foundation president jim de mint then a republican senator tom coburn john ensign and bob corker the whole thing was orchestrated by republican propaganda extraordinary frank luntz newt gingrich was also in attendance and on my radio show a few months ago he bragged that the purpose of the dinner meeting was to come up with a plan to sabotage the obama presidency you were quoted in the book as saying that . after this dinner you'll remember this is the day the seeds of two thousand and twelve were sown is that all accurate well in part or so were you guys insurgents against the obama presidency well the fact is not the opposition party ought to sit down and try to figure out how to get back in power and that's why they're the opposition party they're not going to back in power they might as well switch parties and join the incumbent party during that dinner the republican conspirators vowed to bring congress to a standstill regardless of how badly congressional inaction w

jim de mint's jon kyl a whole bunch of really heavy duty republicans met in a private room in the caucus room restaurant washington d.c. . and came up with what as i recall pete sessions later referred to as a taliban strategy to fight president obama and he said you know basically we're taking our ins for inspiration from the taliban he said you know they have taught us how to do this and i did and pete sessions was one of the guys at that at that meeting and were saying this was seen as the republican party has become the american taliban it's absolute bizarre next video comment of the night comes from jack in california. is certain that you do the there through the. lives through the wall. those who want to. draw your. you did or. my father. in the middle of. this typical example i believe over with you. so rightly hold our capital. market. and hundreds springboard. to twelve were nice to give you that are going to. return the reason. we're going to. be responsible we're going to give the order. to the addition to the ground that prompted. the people to do that respond to those who wo

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the guys running the heritage foundation now jim de mint jon kyl i mean there were fourteen of these guys and newt gingrich newt gingrich are on my program came out and said yes we did that we are the opposition that was our dirty got together and pete sessions said we're using the taliban as our model we're going to be an insurgency kevin mccarthy said we're not going to allow this guy to have one success now one success this was purely put they didn't know what and what legislation was coming and they were preparing the ground but i think that i my guess is be that that meeting has taken place in different context with different groups of people i can't imagine that's the first time that after losing an election the first time the people who lost get together and say ok in two years and four years and six years we're going to do what we can to make sure we take power back i think that's the nature of what's your takeaway when you get together and say we're going to do it we can't take power back it's this is going to be what we're offering the people so they'll vote for us now but