refused to join the kyoto protocol john and they have no buying obligations. at the same time africa has a population of a billion people and yet it generates less than one tenth of the emissions america generates so we have a very unfair situation where you have the united states on the one hand and the whole continent of africa on the other. what the way you see it was a missile if you will so when you you have another quote here again from a german source the spigot magazine reported recently that iran may spill all oil in the persian gulf in response to sanctions introduced by the west is it true they really have such plans because we remember how in one thousand nine hundred ninety one saddam hussein spilled oil during operation desert storm but that didn't help him i don't actually see how an oil spill can help you get those sanctions lifted. you don't call them shiny as regards the environment help the persian gulf iran's said it used commandable money. when iraq attacked us and we had eight years of war we didn't cause any pollution in the persian gulf

how did dog see get control over global warming nearly two hundred countries agreed to extend the kyoto protocol to reduce greenhouse gas emissions the event took place in qatar as i said which is in the middle east though the region is not really associated with environmental protection but isn't it unfair what other regions problems and in fact on our planet we'll discuss that with a senior official of one of the biggest middle eastern countries vice president al do you are more how much about mohamed is out there who is also head of the environmental protection often has a. when it comes to greenhouse gas polluters the general public might think oh established industrial giants and the developing economies as the worst culprits however iran is in the top five carbon emitters at the recent climate change conference to qatar the kyoto protocol was extended but carbon emitters as the united states russia and china chose to opt out iranian why is president mohamed these are this that he's country championed the extension backed by dozens of other nations. mr mohammad is a dan welcome to

well if there is no other organization now turning to the kyoto protocol developed then then i guess yes but russia's ministry of environment protection has actually said that is suggesting its own treaty with an ambitious goal of around twenty percent less carbon emissions to one thousand one hundred but it's actually being quite cheeky here because russia was already complying with these targets well most other countries in the world. for russia will be the only game in here but we've also talked to be on long bird is a professor at copenhagen business school and he says basically these kind of organisations like the kyoto protocol just won't work. fundamentally we ask nations to implement policies that are costly for them now well we've had very tiny an impact on your views down below there are always going to be a very very hard sell and so what we've really seen people doing is cheerleading for claiming also sort of not really happening or most we've been exporting all their energy intensive industries to china and other places that are not included if you go over the stile appr

did not sign onto the kyoto protocol? >> under bush, they agreed they would do similar to would be to recall program -- joke part of all members would do -- tkyoto protocol but never signed on. now each country puts forward whenever it can do, and that will not be challenged. this is not based on science. as a result we have very low emissions coming from developed countries, which means they are showing a bad example to developing countries who would want to do more, but seeing that leaders are not living up to their expectations, this has repressed their ability to do more in terms of their own population. >> ambassador jumeau, before you were the roving ambassador for the seychelles, you were a u.n. ambassador. the u.s. has a major drone bass in the seychelles, which means you have close ties to the military. does that affect your negotiations here? >> not at all. first and foremost, we are a small island country, a member of the alliance of small island states. we are also part of the african union, but we always take

however iran is in the top five carbon emitters at the recent climate change conference to qatar the kyoto protocol was extended but carbon emitters as the united states russia and china chose to opt out iranian why is president mohamed these are this that he's country championed the extension backed by dozens of other nations. mr mohammad is a dan welcome to the show but i'm going to be first off as we've just heard a few days ago qatar hosted koppel eighteen the. eighteen's conference of the parties of the un framework convention on climate change the conference made

follow that welcome to business as russia is ditching the kyoto protocol a global agreement to reduce carbon emissions the country which is strides of an active player on the emissions markets will not be bound by obligations to diminish greenhouse gases in the second phase of the protocol which falls next it from on the topic on joined live by b. almost by professor at copenhagen business school how i feel and thank you for joining us now let's talk realistic a reality journey in these times of economic hardship across the globe right now is the price you call a win this dick tracy. you know and it's never been a realistic option listen it's going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars to curtail carbon emissions just a tiny bit in the developing countries starting to develop the world and that's going to lead to very very small declines in temperature rise because by the end of the century it's simply a very poor way to try to help the world with climate change that why it's bearing and in terms of rosseau we've had ross a pulling out along with new zealand even japan they've all j

under the kyoto protocol, these countries agreed to reduce their emissions across their economies by a certain percentage by 2012. european union is well on the way to meet its commitment. it has agreed to a second set of commitments that will last probably eight years. what is happening now, although you are going to have a second period of the protocol, you could think of it as term insurance. it goes for a period and then you have a new one. the second period, with the eu is agreeing to is its 20% cut by 2020. they are already well on track to do this. they could do this with their eyes closed. is a business as usual proposition for them. >> samantha smith, thank you for being here. kumi naidoo, executive director of greenpeace international. we will be talking about the results of this climate summit tomorrow. we will be back in a minute. >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. as we continue our live broadcast from doha in the gulf emirate of qatar at the conference of parties. the u.s. and from work on climate change. we turn now

let me show you a video coming up from kyoto first. as you can see, residents in the west side of japan are experiencing a white christmas. this is from kyotango prefecture, where about eight inches of snow piled up overnight. this is triggered by warm air from central russia. people along the west coast can expect plenty of snow and wind again and plenty of low temperatures, but these kids aren't really minding that and having a lot of fun here. let's pull back and show you we do see a low pressure system that is going to be developing and moving across this country, so that will be intensifying the wintry pressure pattern on top of what we have already been seeing. about 5:40 a.m., we have identified 198 centimetres, that's about two metres height in yawata prefecture, and the bad news is it's going to be continuing. about 18 centimetres will be found in the next 24 hours. about 50 centimetres will be piling up as well. in kyoto, about 126 kilometres per hour is expected and the waves will pick up about 6 metres high on the coastal r

in a few weeks' time global climate efforts could be on "life support" -- that's because the kyoto protocol -- so far the only legally binding international climate treaty in history -- runs out by the end of the year. delegates from 192 countries are currently meeting in qatar to reach some form of new deal. in today's special programme we focus on the concrete issues behind this latest round of climate negotiations -- and here's what we have coming up -- going green -- costa ricas scientists are working hard to make the whole country co2 neutral. poor amid riches -- why mozambique's mineral wealth isn't trickling through making the desert bloom -- why egypt is growing organic potatoes in the desert. delegates meeting in doha face many major issues: first of all they have to make sure that the kyoto treaty isn't simply lost when it runs out in december. while working against the clock they are also painfully aware that the world's largest emitters, the united states and china are still not bound to any agreement at all. in turn japan, russia and canada warn that they will not sign any furt

i hope that we will be able to have another commitment perido -- period under the kyoto protocol. i hope as well that we can agree on a road map for negotiations on a new finding instrument for all countries worldwide, and i hope that we can enhance our ambition level as far as climate mitigation is concerned. i made a proposal with regard to a 30% reduction targets with regard to the european union. i am not sure we can agree on it tonight, but we will probably have a procedure that would allow us to raise the level of ambition within the next couple of months. >> thanks for joining us. another moment of truth for athens -- when greece finds out weather its author -- offer to repurchase debt from private investors has paid off. that will help trigger the release of more rescue funds that greece so desperately needs to stay afloat. >> athens has offered to pay 10 billion euros to holders of its sovereign debt at a buyback value of up to 40 cents per euro. to be successful, the sale has to cut a greek national debt by 20 billion euros. news from athens made investors nervous this f

you can't do it by begging -- the kyoto protocol approach was to beg. beg all the other countries to pick some target and then reach that target without any -- and, of course, even though many countries agreed like canada, they soon abandon it -- when it's not convenient, they abandon it -- you have to -- the only way you can enforce it is with the price, and that -- so that could be done. and, you know, i was in china and the china -- chinese leaders understand this. they don't deny their climate problem. they are engineers and they're rationale, and they don't want to be addicted to fossil fuels the way the united states is and have to protect the supply line around the world, so they are, number one in solar panels, wind power and nuclear power, building thirty nuclear power plants. so i don't -- but, of course, they do have a major problem with so many people in poverty and they're -- and they need -- they know they need to get them out of poverty or they may -- their government may not survive. so the -- of course, they're doing everything they can

the ongoing talks in doha, basically focusing on kyoto, i believe, you've said you sort of have issue with kyoto, what do you think the united states should be putting forward there, and how can we convince the countries who have equity issues with the united states and our carbon development to participate? what do you propose for that? >> the united nations process hasn't done a lot. what do you think should happen there? >> yeah, it's -- they -- as i've already said, i think instead of trying to fix the kyoto process but keeping the cap-and-trade system, we need to realize that we have to put a price on carbon. now, we do have a debt to developing countries because the climate impacts are actually going to be felt and are already beginning to be felt more at the low latitude countries where more of the developing nations are, and yet, they have not contributed at all or very, very little to that carbon in the atmosphere. so we're gonna have to figure out some compensation for them, and it actually takes not very much money to encourage them to have better practices and to restore f

it begs this question. 2012 germany will reach their kyoto targets.states has pulled away. what other country has the envelope open this year will reach their course, and what was the economic lesson learned in terms of their success or failure as it relates to dramatically changing the way they produce-- >> look at germany and the scandinavian country which are the own people who have done like they're supposed to, their economies are doing pretty well, thank you. there are other countries who have abandoned completely their equipment, canada, they'll make a lot of money for the koch brothers pumping tar sand, so we can't help with the world problem, sorry. that's running into stiff resistence among canadians. there's resistence building up around the world and the polling data reflects it. even today rasmussen found 68% of americans thinks global warm something a serious problem. the exit polling data during the election found 41% of people based their vote largely or somewhat on the response to hurricane sandy. climate was hardly mentioned in the c

. >>> kyoto professor shinya yamanaka has collected his medal for this year's nobel prize in physiology and medicine. for their work with stem cells that can be programmed to become cells in a human body. shefed his medal in a ceremony hall. yamanaka was introduced as someone who has provided the world with an invaluable method of developing therapies. sweden's king carl gustov xvi awarded him the prize. after the ceremony, yamanaka said he enjoyed the ceremony, but has yet to take a close look at the medal. >>> in neighboring norway, the ceremony for the nobel peace prize has taken place. the presidents of the eu three main institutions collected their medals. european counsel president, baraso and eu parliament president martin schultz jointly accepted the prize. the prize committee said the 27-nation bloc turned europe from a continent of war into a continent of peace. rampai vowed to strengthen european unity andverce th economic crisis. however, critics say the prize is inappropriate, pointing out that the eu has failed to limit the impact of europe's economic troubles. those same

joining us now is rob deans, how can they get away with this under the kyoto protocol? >> david, there's inescapebly keynesian you and i talking about goal on christmas eve. and the nightmare in china, the biggest polluter on the planet. david: but they're not a part of kyoto, that's the bottom line. >> what china is doing, china recognizes it needs to cut the mercury, corps bohn tarbon out improve efficiency and find alternative fuels, they are he' burning, as you say, 4 billion tons of coal. and you burn two lumps of coal in the world, 1/2 is chinese, you have to do something about that. >> i've got an answer for you. >> okay. >> i've got an answer and it's something you may not like, but it is an answer and it's a hell of a lot cleaner than coal, there are a lot more natural gas reserves in china and we've seen what fracking has done and how much has been plentiful. you may not like it, it's a hell of a lot cleaner than coal, why not encourage it. help them in any way we can to develop their natural gas reserves? >> you know, david, you're right. we are the two large

some fear the decisions could spoil discussions to replace the kyoto protocol. a delegate said financial support to protect the lives of the people there is indispensable. >> we don't have the resources to deal with climate change. and financing is part of our survivability. we need finance to survive. >>> people are dealing with the aftermath of hurricane bofa. the powerful storm made landfall tuesday on mindenow island. gale forces battered villages and uncontrolled flooding. 214 people died on the island. survivors had to pick their way through fallen vegetation to get to higher ground. tens of thousands of residents are crammed into shelters. they're also delivering food and relief supplies. typhoon bofa has now left the philippines, it's heading northwest after passing over palowan island. we'll find out more during our weather. >>> local police have arrested a former employee on suspicion of arson, the fire broke out in an underwear factory on tuesday afternoon. about 200 square meters of the billing were burned. in addition to the 14 dead, one worker was

they hope to forge a framework, succeed the kyoto protocol that goes to the end of this year. they want a stricter limit on greenhouse grasses in growing countries such as china and india. they're currently not committed to targets. representatives from china, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, said the country has done its share. they note that during the first nine months of 2012 china's energy consumption fell by 3.4% from the previous year. >> translator: we made a commitment at our party congress. we prioritized building and eco friendly society. we'll make a strong effort to promote a recycle-based society. china will act on climate change with other nations. >> some delegates also want reassurance on financial support. wealthy countries have pledged to provide $100 billion per year in aid by 2020. the money is intended to help the developing countries reduce carbon emissions and adapt to the effect of climate change. time is running out for the delegates to reach a deal. many divisions remain between the participants from the industrialized and developing

the kyoto protocol expires at the end of the year. the question now is whether or not it will be extended and which countries sign up. another issue is how much more money developing countries should get to help them deal with the effects of climate change. in the coming days, it will be up to environment ministers to thrash out these and other points. >> certain points can only be resolved by the ministers themselves. providing financial support to poorer countries, for example. how much are we willing to do by 2020 to protect the environment? >> scientists say climate change is happening much faster than previously thought. the evidence, such as spermatic pmelting of -- the dramatic melting of sea ice, is mounting. >> the eu is at itswhen we had n board, supporting the same goal. we need to keep at it. >> officials are now making the final preparations before the ministerial-level talks begin. critics say too much time has been wasted. now the pressure is on for leaders to take a more cooperative approach. in a prince william and hi

he lives in kyoto prefecture, western japan. he reached the age of 115 years and 253 days on friday. he was born in april 1897. he worked at a post office for his whole career. after he retired he took up farming. he has 14 grandchildren, 25 great-grandchildren and 13 great-great-grandchildren. he was hospitalized about two weeks ago but is recovering. on wednesday he expressed his gratitude both in japanese and english when he was given a bouquet of flowers at the hospital. >>> another winter storm is hitting the southern u.s. >> we're watching this next storm come through. this is on the wake of the powerful storm that went through all week basically. that one pushing off through new england. bringing flurries there. then this one moving across the lower mississippi river valley. this is bringing rain showers here. it will start to change over to snow as it works off here towards the northeast and some thunderstorm activity along the gulf coast. then across portions of appalachians where you don't want any more snow. it looks

he lives in kyoto prefecture, western japan. he reached the age of 115 years and 253 days on friday. he was born in april 1887. he worked at the post office and after he retired took up farming. he has 14 children, 25 great grandchildren and 13 great-great grandchildren. >> thank you very much. you are very kind. he was hospitalized about two weeks ago but is recovering. on wednesday he expressed his gratitude both in japanese and english when he was given a bouquet of flowers at the hospital. we'll be back in 30 minutes with more news, i'm gene otani, thanks very much for joining us. have a great day wherever you are and happy holidays.

he lives in kyoto prefecture, western japan. he reached the age of 115 years and 53 days on friday. he was born in april 1887. he worked at the post office and after he retired took up farming. he has 14 children, 25 great grandchildren and 13 great-great grandchildren. >> thank you very much. you are very kind. he was hospitalized about two weeks ago but is recovering. on wednesday he expressed his gratitude both in japanese and english when he was given a bouquet of flowers at the hospital. we'll be back in 30 minutes with more news, i'm gene otani, thanks very much for joining us. have a great day wherever you are and happy holidays.

the green climate fund, the kyoto protocol extension -- these are fundamental building blocks of an international climate process, but ever since copenhagen, we are pursuing a search for a new framework for global climate cooperation, and doha in itself will not deliver that. we should also recognize that these conferences have not provided us with a single framework, but they have triggered all across the world immense initiatives in the direction of a low-carbon economy, and i think these are also a byproduct of this process, and we need to recognize them because they are part of building our ability to move towards a low-carbon future. nevertheless, doha should at a minimum enable us to keep the process moving forward. in itself, it has not delivered a breakthrough. that is clear. >> that was the head of the united nations' environment program. now we had a championship talk -- soccer, and last year's champion, chelsea, have crashed out of the competition. >> the londoners' only finished third. chelsea are the first title holders to ever exit the competition at the group's stage. but it was an

conference on climate change are deadlocked over what should succeed the kyoto protocol. they're trying to draft a new framework to cut emissions. but ministers meeting in doha, qatar, disagree about who should shoulder the responsibility. u.s. special envoy todd stern told delegates any new framework needs to apply to all countries. >> we need all of us to hasten the transition to low-carbon economies so we can avoid the much more serious risks that await us in the future. >> japan's environment minister nagahama did not address concerns japan will miss its midterm goal of cutting emissions by 25% by 2020. but he promised to continue financial support for developing nations. >> translator: japan will contribute to fight climate change through cooperation with all the countries, including developing nations. >> delegates from industrialized nations say emerging economies should bear an equal burden. they say greenhouse gas emissions are rising rapidly in countries such as china and india. but the senior chinese delegate said industrialized countries should look at their o

they hope to forge a framework to succeed the kyoto protocol, which expires at the end of the year. wealthy nations want them to adopt stricter limits on green house gases, particularly fast-growing countries such as china and india. they're currently not committed to binding targets. representatives from china, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, say their country has done its share. they note that during the first nine months of 2012, china's energy consumption fell by 3.4% from the previous year. >> translator: we made a commitment at our party congress. we prioritize building an ecofriendly society. we'll make a strong effort to promote a recycle-based society. china will act on climate change with other nations. >> reporter: some delegates also want reassure rance on financial support. wealthy countries have pledged to provide $100 billion per year in aid by 2020. the money is intended to help developing countries reduce carbon emissions and adapt to the effect of climate change. time is running out for the delegates to reach a deal. many decisions remain between t

a solar battery company in kyoto also participated. >> this e-textile could be used for large roofs, domes, or emergency tents. it could also become a kind of wearable technology if computer systems are embedded inside clothing. >> conventional solar cells are arranged in rooftop panels which are usually flat and oriented in one direction. that limits the amount of sunlight they can absorb. but the spherical solar cell can absorb sunlight from a number of directions throughout the day. that makes them much more efficient. the team plans to launch the technique commercially by the end of march 2015. >>> typhoon season is extending longer than usual. meteorologist robert speta is here with the details. robert? >> well, yes, we are watching a now severe tropical storm bopha, but it is expected to become a typhoon here on december 1st. so going into the early part of december we're likely going to be having a typhoon on our hands as this storm system continues to push off there towards the west first affecting palau here on monday, eventually going into tuesday, already palau shutting do

kyoto university professor shinya yamanaka and cambridge university professor emeritus john gurdon are in stockholm to attend the award ceremony on monday. yamanaka says he was able to generate induced pluripotent stem cells or ips cells due to unexpected results from his experiments. >> what i want to say to young scientists is is that when you observe unexpected results, that's -- that's the chance for a new breakthrough or for a new discovery. >> the japanese professor said he wants to speed up his research and that his work will eventually benefit hospitals and patients. >> i am on a scientific stream which john gurdon studied 50 years ago. this stream has not been stopped. so we have to draw into clinics or into patients. >> gurdon said he thought when he started had no obvious value from a therapeutic view point, but he said it was completely transformed by professor yamanaka's discovery and he realized that his field could have enormous therapeutic benefits. >>> in the middle east, more than two weeks have passed since a cease-fire took effect in the gaza strip. now israel and h

kyoto university professor shinya yamanaka and cambridge university professor emeritus john gurdon are in stockholm to attend the award ceremony on monday. yamanaka said he believes he was able to generate induced pluripotent stem cells or ips cells due to unexpected results from his experiments. >> what i want to say to young scientists is that when you observe unexpected results, that's -- that's the chance for a new breakthrough or for a new discovery. >> the japanese professor said he wants to speed up his research and that his work will eventually benefit hospitals and patients. >> i am on a scientific stream which sir john gurdon started 50 years ago. this stream has not been stopped. so we have to draw into clinics or into patients. >> gurdon said he thought what he started had no obvious value from a therapeutic view point, but he said it was completely transformed by professor yamanaka's discovery and he realized that his field could have enormous therapeutic benefits. >>> in the middle east, more than two weeks have passed since a cease-fire took effect in the gaza strip. now

kimura lives in kyoto in western japan.rked at a post office until he was 65, and he farmed until he was 90. kimura will break the all-time record for male longevity on december 28th. >>> it's time now to take a look at the world weather forecast. heavy snow in eastern europe has claimed the lives of dozens of people and caused major disruptions in traffic and power supply. meteorologist sayaka mori gives us the details. >> hi there. the eastern part of europe has been hit by a severe cold snap. ukrainian officials say 37 people have died from the severe cold spell. more than 150 people remain in hospital with frostbite 37 temperatures have dropped as low as 20 degrees in western parts of ukraine. snowstorms trapped hundreds of cars in a gigantic traffic jam on one of the major highways. the army came to help with tanks to clear snow and tow trapped vehicles. snow has let up in ukraine. so that's good news. but snow showers will return to this area on thursday. that could hamper recovery efforts unfortunately. meanwhile, se

nearly two hundred countries have agreed to extend the kyoto protocol a treaty that limits the greenhouse gas output of some nations and hopes of curbing global warming legally binding plan was approved by un delegates during the climate talks in doha the summit established for the first time the rich nations should move towards reimbursing poorer nations for losses due to climate change. well and president which of us as announced he is suffering from cancer once again the leader says tests showed a return of some malignant cells in the same area where tumors had been previously removed he will return to cuba were already received cancer treatments to undergo surgery in the coming days the news comes two months after chavis was reelected as president in a tight vote. and u.s. authorities can obtain and study data to european storyline overreaching europe's strict privacy protection laws that's according to a report issued by the university of amsterdam saying washington is being shielded by the anti terror of patriot act one of the authors of the report believes international privacy reg

kavi is with me as you can see that must mean business and katie brushes no pulled out of the to the kyoto climate warming conference we saw an impassioned plea of just talking there about philippines everything we're going through we saw an impassioned plea didn't we from the philippines representative tears in his eyes saying please guys work on this but it's been decided just to go in anywhere rushes pulled oh well that's right i mean as you say people are very passionate about their movie on about the planet which is about greenpeace all of that but the idea was developed countries cut down on their carbon emissions and on the reality is kevin it hasn't happened it's been less than successes now indeed in largely because the us never signed up in the first place that was half the problem so i'm going to be analyzing it in the business but i was very frustrated very frustrated indeed yeah all of that and more in the business that i'm. an artist was arrested for putting up posters critical of drone usage all over new york city the poster show a menacing drone shooting a missile at innoce

nearly two hundred countries have agreed to extend the kyoto protocol a treaty that limits the greenhouse gas out with some nations and hopes of curbing global warming the legally binding plan was approved by un delegates during climate talks in doha the summit established for the first time the rich nations should move towards reimbursing poor nations for losses due to climate change. but as well and president hugo chavez has announced he is suffering from cancer again the leader says tests showed a return of some malignant cells in the same area where tumors have been previously removed you were turned to cuba word he's already received cancer treatment to undergo surgery in the coming days the news comes two months after chavis was reelected this president in a tight vote. russia says it is drawing up a blacklist of u.s. officials it considers guilty of human rights abuses the move comes in response to the so-called list of banned russians which american lawmakers approved this week the motions named after sergei magnitsky a lawyer who died in russian police custody three years ago was

negotiations now move towards drafting a will you legally binding agreement to replace the kyoto protocol. the u.s. has never signed onto that agreement. >>> well it took 69 years, but a christmas letter from a mother to her military son is finally arrived. listen as he describes how she signed it. >> she says merry christmas and happy new year, signed mom. >> signed mom. jack speers says late last month police called saying that they had a letter for him. when he saw the write writing and saw the return address he knew right away it was from her mother. she is sent the letter christmas eve in 1943 while her son was training from the canada air force. she died 20 years. >>> today marks the anniversary of john lennon's death and they gather to remember the musician. one fan who looked a lot like the late singer took place at the memorial at central park. it day in 1980 the 40-year-old lennon was shot to death outside of the dakota apartment building by chapman who right now remains in prison. >>> a restaurant owner's unusual move and why it's generated so much attention. >>> reports of big

and we know this for two reasons, one which is still today in japan, outside kyoto, they have small family-run bakeries that are making fortune cookies by hand. but they're not yellow, they're not small. they're, like, this kind of big, brown, very nutty flavored kind of fortune cookie. and they don't do them with machines. it's very much an artisan craft. so that's one. and two, there is a drawing from the late 1800s that a japanese researcher dug up through many, many, many hours of sifting through the archives in japan, and it shows a man in a kimono, you know, back then, in an etched kind of drawing, making fortune cookies. and together, we know that. and so what happened is that the japanese immigrants came to america around the turn of the 20th century, and they brought... you know, some of them made, you know, cookies and whatnot for a living. and so they brought some of that over with them. and it's been fascinating, because it started out sort of very localized, very californian, kind of like, you know, a very regional thing. but at a certain point it became a big thing. and we were a

actually, you have cut twice as much as what everyone else in the world including the kyoto protocol the e.u. instead of what the e.u. is paying 20, $30 billion a year to do that, you're making $100 billion a year. that is much better proposition. melissa: is all the fracking distracting us from the idea of developing these other sources of renewable energy? >> no. i think it is buying us time because eventually we will be switching to wind and solar and all these other green technologies once they become sufficiently cheap but gas provides us that bridge for a couple of decades, we can actually use gas instead of coal. we can be much cleaner. they're right it is not a clean fuel but it is a much eaner fuel. that means we can get to a point where we will eventually transition to green energy. so it is actually a plus plus. melissa: all right. i think they would be really miffed to hear you say that. i'm sure they're watching. i'm sure they love the show. thanks so much for coming on. >> time for today's fuel gauge report. oil rose more than 1% on the last day of trading in november.

because every proposal ever done including the united nations kyoto protocol would not impact the temperaturesuming you buy into their science. >> we're not talking about the temperature. >> we're talking about a climate bill in the united states. president obama was telling people it will keep the planet four or five degrees cooler for our grandchildren. if you actually do -- >> co2 -- >> -- you are getting 1,000 plus cold plants, there are 1.3 billion people don't have running water and electricity. if we actually go the route of trying to stop carbon-based energy which has been their lifeline which would lower infant mortality and long life expectancy it would be the most immoral position you can take. bottom line is even if skeptics are wrong the solutions that the global warming alarmists would propose would have not detectible impact. >> if we were to begin to reduce carbon emissions, have the united states for example lead the way in this new technology, especially energy transmission, energy storage, electricity, we could change the world. we could get everybody a much higher quality o

he lived near kyoto and was born on, get this april 19th, 1897. >> wow. >> it always amazes me becauseey have seen in their 115 years, the changes. >> can you imagine? >> from automobile transportation to a flight to the moon. that's what i always thought about my grandmother's life. what a life-span. i mean, i grant you, we have texting now. now, that's exciting. >> there you go. >> but it's incredible. >>> 9 machines now before the hour of 6-9 minutes now before the hour of 6:00. >> from fourth grader to 49er, the impressive prediction calling colin kaepernick had about his future. ,,,, ♪ we were skipping stones and letting go ♪ ♪ over the river and down the road ♪ [ female announcer ] at nature valley, we know nature comes together in amazing ways. that's why we bring together natural ingredients, like dark chocolate with toasted oats, or sweet golden honey. perfect combinations of nature's delicious ingredients, from nature valley. ♪ ♪ i was thinking that i hope this never ends ♪ [ female announcer ] nature valley granola bars, some holiday controversy...y supplying a gun- toting s