how they came here from or from kyrgyzstan were they born in kyrgyzstan. listen no i don't say losers i'm saying those were able to make this a thorough city are only losers that's what i say there's no way did that. do you. think. you know no one. really respects our property. again with the families of. those who suffered. we're sharing with them with their grief i'm really just to meet with them i'm ready just to bend in front of them to kneel in front of them seeking forgiveness again and tell me it is in here in the name of the family. so that's what i would say. here. in the russian. group right we've just been listening right now to the boston marathon suspects uncle ruslan that sonnie who said that the family has not been in touch with us and neither the family for a very long time he went on to say that in two thousand and three these had neither family received asylum to go to the united states. they of course came later and he said that he rejects any chechnya ling's that that that have been linked to to these suspects to chechnya he also went o

>> they came here from kyrgyzstan. >> where were they born? >> in kyrgyzstan. pardon me? i don't say losers. i'm saying those who are able to make this atrocity are only losers. that's what i say. there's no idea that they may follow. thank you. >> do you consider them terrorists? >> i work. thank you very much. a 26-year-old tsarnaev, the younger suspect, is at large right now. people are wondering his brother is the father of these two suspects, he must have shortened his name from tsarnaev to tsarni. but he's insisting these two brothers if in fact they did commit these crimes, these bombings at the boston marathon have brought shame, shame to the family, shame to all the people of chechnya, shame to muslims. >> he's also saying his nephew, the suspect, should turn himself in, ask for forgiveness. he says they're a disgrace to the family. i misheard the first time i was listening to this. he says he spoke to his brother, the suspect's father, three months ago. but he hasn't spoken to the boys in quite some time. so he doesn't understand how this happened, but he believ

. >> reporter: dzhokhar was an ethic chechen who came with his family from kyrgyzstan when he was very young. some of the students we talk to say he liked to play soccer. he liked to smoke weed. they say there was nothing about him that jumped out as anything other than what thousands of other college students around here do on a typical day. >> such a bold and bizarre move to go back to your university. chris lawrence, thank you. >> while students in the boston area, other schools return to normal. the teen bombing suspect is lying in a hospital bed this morning. the officials tell cnn he had been intubated and right now cannot talk. susan candiotti is standing outside the hospital. what do we know about his condition this morning? >> hi, john, good morning to you. because officials tell us he has these throat injuries and because of what you mentioned as well, that means he simply can't talk to investigators, even if they wanted to. or even if he wanted to. so now they have to sit and wait to see if his medical condition improves and if so, when that will be. this is a concern for ve

it's possible he left kyrgyzstan and could have been perhaps five years in kyrgyzstan.ter the second war of chechen independence when russia very heavily cracked down. after that, militants spread across the region here in southern russia and then a lot of violence began to pop up in this province of kyrgyzstan. many found roots and homes here in dagestan. people with al qaeda links. we don't know precisely where tamerlan was in dagestan. >> president obama spoke to vladimir putin today. do we have any idea what they discussed? >> the same said simply terrorism issues. there will be a large question here about what they know about tamerlan. he would have spent a short peered in southern russia. this points back to the fbi saying in the year before they did question him. it's entirely possible many people say that could have been the indication of russia i spoke to. he may have had no comment at this particular point. they worked intently in the past few years, past decade, many say with a heavy hand. it's important to point out before 2006 before he went to

records show they came from kyrgyzstan and then became america's creation. these records show the four tsarnaev family members coming in 2001 from kyrgyzstan. and then leaving it says here to america the 25th of march 2002. they were with us for five months, he says. their formative years were in america, it's their culture. that's where they social socially matured. now, people are still trying to find out further information here. the father says he will go to the united states, as you heard. it's not clear whether he is still here. i spoke with him very briefly this morning, but of course a man devastated by what he's finding out american official says the truth about his sons. zorida. >> all right, nick paton walsh in dagestan, russia, this morning. >>> up next, a terrorism expert helps us understand what may have driven the attack. and we're learning more about the suspects' past. family members saying one suspect was brainwashed. mine was earned in djibouti, africa, 2004. the battle of bataan, 1942. [ all ] fort benning, georgia, in 1999. [ male announ

to change them back to kyrgyzstan later to dagestan where they spent just a bit over a year until they moved to the united states in two thousand and two now she showed us some pictures were taken during that time in some of them capturing those brothers in their early childhood and then one older brother is just over a year old now she's found a lot of time with the time of life and when he came to visit his parents to dagestan and she describes him as a really nice family loving and caring young man he talked a lot about his american wife katherine and about their daughter and when i asked her whether she expressed any acts or interest in islam she told me that his interest was never overwhelming the middle and wasn't a religious fanatic he was curious about religion he started to be really interested in islam about three years ago but he was never a radical who would talk about his commitment to religion but it wasn't extreme fighting much was devastated she remembers that just part of the younger brother plan to come to dagestan this may and now their father plans to go to the unit

one is born in kyrgyzstan. and, so, they are from that region, but have been here for a decade. >> now, the associated press claims they've interviewed their father in russia. so, that would sort of conflict, that would conflict with this idea that the family is here in the united states. >> not necessarily. it would indicate that the family came in 2002. he may have returned to russia. that's a part of the puzzle we don't have. but we know for certain that the two brothers have been here for a decade. >> and there's been some question about their residency status. definitely know that the older brother was a legal resident or is that still unclear? >> legal, permanent resident, yes. >> and the other, dzhokhar the person you're looking at on the screen. did plant the second bomb. he was a resident of cambridge, but his precise immigration status is unclear. >> and what do we know about the two people brought into custody? not much more beyond that? >> again, that's not in my reporting. i'm just not sure what th

>> they came here from kyrgyzstan. >> where were they born? >> in kyrgyzstan. no, they're losers. i'm saying those available to make this tragedy are only losers. that's what i say. there's no idea that they may follow. thank you. >> would you consider them terrorists? >> huh? >> i woshlg. i work. i have legal background. thank you very much. >>> one more thing, from now on, i clearly ask you to respect our property. again, we're the families of -- i mean, those who suffered, we share with them their grief. i'm ready just to meet with them. i'm ready just to bend in front of them. to kneel in front of them seeking their forgiveness. again, on an entire -- in the name of our country -- of the families, so that's what i say. thank you. please. please. >> you've got to give me a little room. what? >> all right, we've just been listening to the uncle, the uncle of these two brothers. the uncle, chris, clearly upset saying these two brothers, one of whom are now dead, is a loser -- they're losers. >> he said he spoke to them three months ago. no indication of this. has nothing do with

one in kyrgyzstan, one in russia.nt residents of the united states for sometime. perhaps up to a decade -- hold on, richard. hold that thought. back to kerry sanders. >> i'm not sure how long i'm going to be able to stay here so i wanted to stop for a moment. we don't want to give out too much information but i can tell you four stories up we have snipers that have taken up positions and down this street as i step out of the way, see what kind of zoom you can do there. i know it is a long way from where we were. but you can see many police officers cars. there is one black car to the left. it is beyond that on the left hand side, another half or so block down that i saw the person on the ground. what we are trying to do is see if we can move the camera to our rye here and see if any kind of picture comes in that explains the situation to you. okay. so here's what we are looking at. you see the white car and there's the police officer's car who is just turning in to the shot of the other one. okay. about -- i'd say fou

the tsarnaev family ended up in kyrgyzstan. where in 1986, the older brother tamerlan was born. the family moved back to the northern caucasus just as the first chechen war was brewing. tamerlan's brother dzhokhar was born in the region in 1993. in the mid-1990s, the boys' family fled back to kyrgyzstan, then to dagestan. >> dagestan is important to note, has turned into the epicenter of the radical jihadi movement in the caucasus because the russians have been so effective in pushing the insurgency out of chechnya itself. >> the family finally emigrated to the united states. tamerlan's uncle says it's in the u.s. that his nephew fell under the influence of a new convert to islam. >> i said, this person took advantage. brain washed him. >> much of the focus now is on his six-month stay last year in dagestan and chechnya. once back in the united states, tamerlan created a youtube channel, posting a video of abu dujana, a self-styled jihadi leader from dagestan. it's not clear whether he actually met dujana in the caucasus emirat

i talked to the kyrgyzstan government.rm that both brothers had kyrgyz passports before they got green cards and moved to the u.s. the interesting thing is that the two republics where these young men were believed to have roots before they got to the u.s., chechnya and kyrgyzstan, both of those governments are seeking to distance themselves from the tsarnaev brothers. the kyrgyz government has issued a statement saying, listen these two guys left our country more than 12 years ago. we're not responsible for their actions. meanwhile, the president of the republic of chechnya, he's gone one step further saying these guys were never known really in chechnya, they got their education in the u.s., they were raised there, and whatever evil they may have committed, well, that came from america. anderson? >> ivan, chechnya -- chechen rebels, terrorists from chechnya, were responsible for the movie theater hostage taking in moscow several years ago. i believe more than -- dozens of people were killed in that, i can't recall just o

>> well, clearly the tsarnaev family came to the united states from kyrgyzstan, kyrgyzstan has been anited states in the connection with afghanistan over the years. so -- but looking back at the visa process, and was there anything that came to light there. but i think primarily this is about the intelligence community and going back, you know, obviously we have the russia connection to exploit. and i think one of the more remarkable things here is the -- in terms of these international connections is to compare the two brothers and what seems to be the lack of a escape plan from, say, the times square bomber where faisal shahzad was literally pulled off an airplane. he'd received some support from the pakistani taliban and was presumably heading back after planting the bomb. it will explain the russia connection but checking through those who have a perspective on jihadi networks just to figure out what, if anything, is the international dimension to this. >> p.j., stay with us, but it is, i mean, fascinating as you try to get your head around this and into the heads of these suspects

instead, they were born here, in kyrgyzstan. exactly how they got to kyrgyzstan and at what point, not clear, but we know they left in 2002-2003 coming to the united states. now, the older brother tamerlan, 26, now dead, we know that in january of last year, he flew from jfk to moscow. he was over there for six months, returned from moscow to jfk in july. we don't know what happened there, except that he visited his father. scroll back down, we move south back to that region. there's chechnya. that's where his father is right now. he gave an interview to russian tv today. his father says his sons have been framed, at least that's what he believe. if you are from that region, it is muslim. what we do not know is if there is any direct connection between these individuals. one of the key movements there have disavowed them, so they're not connected in any way. the reason that they're of chechen decent is why we have focus sod much on this area of the world today. >> michelle, people have been wondering all day, the chechen fight h

a resident of cambridge, born in kyrgyzstan. his brother, the deceased, tamerlan born in russia and he, according to reports, became a legal permanent resident in 2007. and they came with their family to the u.s. in 2002 or 2003 and now a third person taken into custody from their home. so, the story is expanding. there are now three people involved, potentially, one deceased of the two suspects. >> one deceased. but we should point out, the city remains on lock down. >> incredible. >> the city of boston and all the other communities. listen to law enforcement and authorities there because we have not pinpointed where this suspect is. >> as you can imagine, former homeland security commissioners and terrorism experts, our own pete williams, nobody has ever covered or worked a scene like this before. because it's never happened. it's unprecedented. you have an entire city basically put in fear. we have five other remaining towns locked down. we have one town, the scene of a shootout that doesn't even compare to the wild west and

did they go back to kyrgyzstan?ssibility they weren't trained overseas, they could have done the training over the internet. i was going to say i have been in touch with the region who are lock in their houses, this particular friend said that he just took a drive-around, a total ghost town in my neighborhood, no people visible. everything is locked off. it's absolutely surreal. it's like the wild west. >> live pictures from watertown right now. we just lost the photo there. martha, let me ask you another question, we may be able to report anything like this, yet, if these young men had traveled back to chechnya or russia in recent years, authorities would know that by now, correct? >> they would know that. at least they're scrambling to find that out. i think they would be pretty easy information to get away, they could check their passports. they were in america, in boston, for 10, 12 years the younger man and five years for the older brother. that's something else that the people i have talked to and saying, the

we were lucky to take him out of kyrgyzstan alive. that's when they came.02. >> did you ever talk to them about living in america? did they like it? what did they tell you? >> they always like it, you know. they liked it, they lived there. they didn't like it, they would leave. >> did they tell you anything about their life in boston? >> kids' lives, freedom, that's what it is. kids, as soon as they know, they are free, they do whatever they want, they don't listen to their parents, especially when they grow up. so that's it. i didn't say he was struggling. i said it seemed like he wanted to find out what he wants. but at that age, all they want is love. so he found his love. he marries, he had a daughter and he was happy about his daughter. >> which one are you talking about? >> older one. >> tamerlan. >> they moved to canada first and then to boston. >> i didn't say he came to canada first, guys, listen. they came to the states. to the states. in 2002. first parents came. mother and father and dzhokhar, when he was little. three kids were back home in kaz

>> political refugees from kyrgyzstan. they can apply for temporary visas to come to the united states. they were approved around 2002. the family comes here. indeed, the young boy wasn't even born in chechnya. muslim republican south asia. north of south afghanistan. there are many chechnya descendants people helping the jihad against us in afghanistan, tribal territories even in libya, syria, iraq, bill, check that has been because of the brutal bitter war against christian russia, the muslim population there has been a -- the young man from that ethnic group have very often been radicalized. how they come here? they came here as young people you met the uncle and aunt on television. >> bill: i understand they asked for political asylum. >> that's how they grew up here. >> bill: they were granted that and they come here. that's not unique and it's not easy to get political asylum to come here. millions people apply. we have translater in afghanistan right now who want it because they fear when the u.s. pulls out the tali

is not my two sons are in front athletically chechen that same night a family first moved from kyrgyzstan to. a republican russia's north caucasus this is the house where the brothers parents live but now there is no one here it's not a nice family a voicing any contact with the media neighbors here are in deep shock at the news in does believe that any of this happening to the saturn i family or know the brothers very well from the childhood we used to live in chechnya together was the neighbor. then we moved here i know they couldn't have carried out the attack and they couldn't have been involved in it they spent most of their lives in the us studied the works that they didn't have any links with were hobbyists and other militants the youngest brother joe hart on his plate of the social network spent back to mansion of this school number one in the high school and none of those places where he used to study however here are very few people remember that certain lives brothers. the family came to dug a stand in september two thousand and one the boys to a school then they apparently man

from one place to another as the father couldn't find a proper job and they've moved twice from kyrgyzstan first to than to dagestan were they span just a bit over a year and till they moved to the united states in two thousand and two she even showed us some pictures that we're taking during that time pictures that captured both brothers in their early tiled women in one picture the older brother time evelyn is just a bit over a year old now she spent a lot of time with tom avalon when he came here to dagestan last year to visit she is a parents and she describes him as a very family loving and caring young man and when i asked her whether he expressed any x. her interest in this law she told me that his interest was never overwhelming. the middle and wasn't a religious fanatic he was curious about religion he started to be really interested in islam about three years ago but he was never a radical we would talk about his commitment to religion but it wasn't extreme it was really hard for her to speak she told me that. the younger brother was planning to come here to dagestan this may and

terrorist activity domestic of forming ethnically chechens that sat night family first moved from kyrgyzstan to the sound republican russia's north caucasus the brothers stayed there for only a short while before moving to the united states ass right. in two thousand and two this is the house where the brothers' parents live but now there is no one here it's not a nice family i voicing any contact with the media as they try to cope with their grief. neighbors here are in deep shock at the news and just believe that any of this happening to the top ny family i know the brothers very well from the childhood we used to live in chechnya together i was the neighbor then we moved here i know they couldn't have carried out the attack and they couldn't have been involved in it they spent most of their lives in the us studied the works that they didn't have any links with the hobbyists and other militants there are very few records a lot from their stay in dagestan the youngest brother jihad on his plate have the social network went back to mansion and this school number one in the high school in mal

evidently, they left that area because of the gruesome conflict there and ended up in kyrgyzstan beforey moved on to the u.s. as far as how long ago they left that central asian republic, i talked to one of the leaders of the ethnic chechen community in kyrgyzstan and he said that we have not seen anybody from the tsarnaev family in more than ten years. so whatever happened seems to have taken place while they were in the u.s. >>> one other tidbit, just to give you an indicator of how deep their roots were in the u.s., we know that the eldest brother, dzhokhar -- i'm sorry, tamerlan, he competed in the golden gloves boxing championship in salt lake city in 2009. chris? >> thank you very much. that's helpful information in term that is they've been here for a long time. there seems to be no real connection back to where they came from. so whatever happened with these two, seems to be it happened here. >> i want to bring in jim walsh now. he's a professor at m.i.t. you know, your office, jim, is right next to where this went down last night as we were watching building 32 at that time, we

stunning two thousand and one here's more about their this family's brief time in russia's republic of kyrgyzstan. rolled into the first green and after just a year he left. his family's from kurdistan there were flu children in sam only to see them to draw in two thousand and one he entered the school and in two thousand and two they left for the u.s. to. authorities have told the media here that the band arrived in the u.s. in two thousand and three approximately at that time their reporter there reportedly us permanent residents it's all very sketchy at this point it's a very fast developing story so we're going to be we're going to try and verify those reports to the suspect who was killed earlier tonight is reported to be joker's twenty six year old brother to madeleine sorrow of what more do we know about them while the elder brother who was killed had a you tube page apparently he was very religious there are suggestions that the brothers were influenced by radical islam we don't know whether they received some kind of training abroad or those are homegrown terrorists the bombs that they d