and this particular school, the l.c. stokes school -- they took that money and they hired a chef who goes out and shops, and it turns out it costs less for her to shop that way they use this food that the government has, you know, some kind of connection with that you get these fast food stuff. so at this school she encourages the kids to build a beautiful vegetable garden, and they use that garden for the salad bar. we are talking about obesity. it occurred to me, you know, if you're a kid and you're having pizza pockets, kind of trashy food, your palate is going to dig that stuff. that is what you're going to be in the habit of eating. if you're an adult, you'll say i won a p to pocket. you can develop a taste for that stuff. so obesity and hunger are very closely related. that is my thoughts on that. >> the record federal budget deficits. we're concerned about cutting costs in government. sometimes it can be -- when you are talking about pizza pockets, which tends to be less expensive than other issues, it would seem that th