mention her name, she thinks trump is going to make -- taking over, tents are going to roll down la brea boulevard in l.a. okay? they're hysterical. i'm saying nobody is listening. >> they didn't listen during the election. right? because donald trump is going to be the president. yet, the media has you thought something different. that he didn't have any shot at all. i think what is interesting to me, as a journalist is that it seems there used to be a school of thought that used to pretend you were unbiassed. new there is a school of thought that is biassed and you know, god forbid you say something in defense of donald trump. they'll pile on in an extreme way. >> the rules of journalism, so that the traditional, oh, they do it, we can do it and lay it off on them. >> yes. "new york times," right? with their recent hire. they hurt a guy from politico. >> if people don't know at this point what you're getting when you read the "new york times," i can't help you. if you watch msnbc and don't know, i can't help you. but ratings for msnbc and cnn plummeted. >> sure. which again says to me people had