hbo is an À la carte channel. by definition, you have to choose to get hbo.y look at the world, they think there are people that, for whatever reason, if it is not marketed to them correctly, are opting not to take that À la carte channel. therefore, hbo thinks they can add new subscribers without damaging the economics of their current business. espn's got a completely different question, which is that they are in 90-95 million households. why would you ever want to change that model if you don't have to to find the 5 million to 10 million people who are not paying for espn? at some point, a very long point, there needs to be a conversation, and there are already announced plans to work with dish on its personal streaming service, a deal with the nba to work through a channel that can go over the top. they are thinking about those choices, but when they pull the plug to do it, it will be when the economics makes sense, and today for hbo, does not make sense for espn to go over the top. >> michael, to return to something you brought up a moment ago, is there

hbo is À la carte. by deffings in you have to choose to get hbo.u look at the world they think there are people, for whatever reason, that is not marketed to them correctly, don't pay, that are opting not to take the À la carte channel. therefore hbo thinks they can actually add subscribers without damaging the economics of their current business. espn has completely different question. they're running at 90 million to 59 million households getting upwards of six bucks a month. why would you ever want to change that model if you don't have to, to find a five to ten mental people who are not paying for espn? and at some point -- maybe this is a very long point -- needs to be a conversation, and espn is ready to announce plans to work with dish on this personal streaming service. they announced a deal with the nba to work through a program -- a channel that can go over-the-top. they're thinking about the choices, but when they pull the plug to do it, it will be when the economics make the most sense and today with hbo, and espn trying to go over the

hbo is an a la carte channel. you have to choose to get hbo. when they look at the world, they think there are people that for whatever reason, it's not marketed to them correctly, they don't pay for pay tv, that are opting not to take that channel. hbo thinks they can add subscribers without damaging the economics of the current business. espn's got a complete he different -- completely different question which is they're already in 90-95 million households getting upwards of $i a month. why would you ever $6 a month, why would you ever want to change that model if you don't have to? at some point, and maybe this is a very long point, there needs to be a conversation. and espn has already announced plans to work with this dish on this personal streaming service. to work through a program of a channel that can go over the top. they're thinking about those choices, but when they pull the plug to do it, it will be when the economics make the most sense. and today versus hbo, it doesn't make sense for espn to try to go other the top. >> now, mike,

. >> if you can watch tv a la carte, what is that like? >> it's not that it's a la carte. log in with your cable company, username and password. you probably don't know that. that means the cable company stays in the mix. you can't dump it to one exception is cbs. the other is a separate paid service. you cannot have cable and still get that. >> let's talk cost. we saw v.5. $9 a month. >> if you pay for hulu or netflix or cbs package, next year you'll be able to get hbo as a streaming service. you can't do that now. it's still a cable service. if you're willing to go through the hurdles yes, but i think a lot of people still find it easier to still watch their cable tv. >> live programming still continues to be important for cable tv right? you can't get that on other services. >> that's what they're starting to do. they're all livestreaming to a degree depending what market you're in and what you want to watch. that's the holy grail there, slipping through all the channels. that's where they want to go. >> the transformation is certainly under way but will we make this mo

. >> you about he wanted to go to a la carte system where you change the way health care is taxed inhis nation and take the administration out of the hand of employers. you give everybody a tax break and level lay playing field. >> have affordable health care to take with you from job to job. >> from job to job. >> like life insurance. you need block grants. thank you very much. all right. big break for one of the nfl's bad boys, sue sioux. he has to -- ndamukong suh. he has to say a heavy at this fine. he won to play in sunday's big game after oops, stepping on aaron rogers hurt leg once you but not twice. was he being single out for his bad reputation or did he cross the line? takes one sentence to change the national conversation. some of the biggest quotes of 2014 that got lots of attention. we'll get to them here on "outnumbered." stay with us. ♪ .. ...heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. e

. >> if you watch tv a la carte like this, what does that mean for cable?s, and to watch the nbc stream or the hbo or abc, you have to log in with your cable company and user name and password and you don't know that, and that means the cable company stays in the mix, and you can't dump it except one, and that's cbs. >> let's cost about costs. we saw $5.95. >> if you are interested in paying a certain amount of for netflix, and next year you can get hbo ala cart as a service, and if you are willing to go through the hurtles to watch different things on different devices and log-ins, but some people find it easier to watch their cable tv. >> live tv is important for cable, right? >> and that's what they are adding, and the three big networks are live streaming to a certain degree and that is really the holy grail to get the same experience of flipping through the channels on your tablet or other device that's where they want to go. >> the transformation is underway but when do you think we will make the move to where tv is the past? >> that's the future. peo

streaming and this is the future model o of the movie business and the entertainment business this is aa la carte. >> i the understand if they were concerned about again being targeted, which they pretty explicitly were by these hackers. >> that's a ridiculous. >> you me the -- what are they going to do. >> how would you like to be the theater owner that has, you know, god forbid something happened. >> i run a financial firm with hundreds of millions of dollars that could be hacked into every day. i worry about cyber security every day. >> we're talking about an actual -- >> yeah but there are not north korean terrorist sleeper cells in the united states. this is just huge threats of nothing. they are like the little kid in the schoolyard that yells they are going to beat you up every time you say anything but they really have nothing. >> hang on -- >> take a -- >> hang on one second. julia i've just getting word now variety is just now reporting that sony is also in talks with netflix to stream this as well. >> that's who i expected to do it. >> that would make sense there. >> that is a very dif

the a la carte ended up on the side and a this or normal commute a death of affected the ride all the area is likely. looking at the bridgeses' an easy ride here at the bay bridge the liberal allies have been off all morning and they are staying that way the san mateo retire when 92 have been enjoying reckon this is all morning long the fog advisory was issued earlier to the dumbarton bridge is no longer in effect. the golden gate bridge ride looks great if no delays law or south lot easier to rent a getting to iran as problem free here at the toll plaza with the richmond bridge you have an easy time from the hoffman's play on 580 westbound fall led to the toll plaza. for >>darya: president president obama is enjoying the noses of heading into the new year. the president's second the size of action on immigration. 48 percent of the people they have now approved the job that the president has seen since may of 2013. >>darya: president bush is being held for observation at a houston hospital after complaining of shortness of breath as they read this morning saying that was was it into a

>> it will be a huge thing when sports are available all the cart -- a la cart.never going to happen. greg's as it is, disney will be offering -- >>, as it is, disney will be offering a sort of baby schedule. collect these contracts, some are out 10, 15 years from now. -- >> these contracts some are out 10, 15 years from now. class for the history of a century your thing sports driving new technologies. it will drive these technologies as well. >> in some instances is a good old-fashioned labor dispute. how does that change the business of football? >> you have one that is against the ncaa and another that is down the pike it could be a problem. bottom line, schools will have to pay more to their players either in the form of scholarships or actual fees but they will have to come up with more money. but what we are talking about here which is more media, as more coverage of the college football playoff and generate more dollars more opportunities across a range of platforms to pay for these players. >> it's hard to believe there could be more bowl games. it's alm

. >> billions and billions of dollars on fees allah cart -- cart -- -- a la carter pricing. >> it's nordt nickeled and dimed. >> you're going to and that's the reality. die get frustrated? absolutely. die have to fly? yes. will i suck it up and do it? absolutely. but it's a means to an end. you have to factor that into your total cost of travel. what is happening is resorts and places in leisure travel destinations are subsidizing the air cares because they have to bring down their room costs ball the toastal package price -- the total package price has to be a number you can afford. look the disposable income for americans, it's down significantly but because of the drop in oil, what happened with fuel? gas prices are dropping. that's a $1,200 basic bonus to the american traveler who is driving today. may they'll put that towards airline tickets. >> we'll see. mark murphy, thank you very much. if the president keeps acting alone, time for the congress to speak up? scott walker speaking up next. t here i can just... you know, check my policy here, add a car, ah speak to customer service,

las vegas and phoenix. >>> in idaho, a heartbreaking and deadly accident at a walmart. >> young mother shot and killed by her 2-year-old son while shopping with her children. the boy in a shopping cartpulled the loaded handgun from his mother's purse, pulled the trigger. detectives say the family was visiting from out of town. >> especially here it is around the holidays just after christmas, right before the new year tragic. tragic accident. >> tragic indeed. the sheriff's office says surveillance video confirms the details. walmart closed the store and brought in grief kouns counsellors. >>> and an emotional reunion in washington state. a father and son home after spending a night stranded in the wilderness. he and his 9-year-old son were out hunting when they got stuck in snow drifts. they couldn't dig out and were out of cell phone range, so spent the night in the truck. >> i told aaron, i was exhausted, there's not much more i can do. and we realized we were going to have to wait. >> they dug themselves out of the snow yesterday, got back into cell phone range and texted family members that they were okay. dad calling his son a real trouper during the whole ordeal. >>> a washin