la jeunesse has ... details. details.d furious and moreover i regret that even earliee this year i didn't draw that coonection. " assistant attorney general lanny breuer became the first high ranking &pofficial to admit the u.s. allowed "gun walking"- the watching smugglers take f - weaaons into mexxcograssley says: "did you ever inform the attorney general holder or deputy attorney general about it and iifnot why not?"breuer says: "i cannot be more ccear.. that knowing now... if i'd known then what i know now.. i would have told the deputy and attorney general." wiie receiver is was an operation during the bush and furious during the obama t - administration where illegally purchased weapons entered mexico instead of being sttpped by atf. documents how breuer and others knew about it last year.quote: "been thinking more about 'wide reeeivee," wrote deputy ag jason weinstein ii april 2010 "atf headquarttrs should/will be embarrassed that they let this many guns walk - i'm stunned." as the fast and furious investigation en

william la jeunesse, fox news. >> bret: now to subject of prevents deaths. catherine herridge learn homeland security officials are trying to harden potential terrorist target in advance of the holiday season. >> they learned they target bus network more than any mode of terrorist interrogation. >> the bulletin says over 725 attacks documented from 2004 through 2009. this week, the head of the tsa acknowledged the new warning. >> it's something we're seeing and reporting over time that terrorists around the world are interested because of the accessibility. the open architecture of buses and rail. >> coming a week before the thanksgiving break, warning to law enforcement in the nation capital reads in part, "bus systems are considered attractive terrorist targets because they're relatively soft targets." ieds like this attack in iraq are common, the bulletin says al-qaeda in yemen through the online magazine inspired, "advocates the use of vehicle-ramming attack against crowds, buildings and other vehicles." >> we issued not just bus but mass transit. as wha

in los angeles, william la jeunesse fox news. >> bret: someone at the white house might not have paid attention in sunday school. that is next in grapevine. gege >> bret: now fresh pickings from the political grapevine. despite tough economic times and stricter ethics rules, congressional travel paid for by outside groups has actually increased this year. "usa today" reports federal lawmakers took 415 private funded trips in the first nine months of the year. nearly 75% jump compared to the same time last year. the value of the trips is more than $3 million. making it most expensive travel year since congress enacted ethics rules in 2007. those restrictions were meant to curb lobbyist funded trips. a big travel destination this year is israel. more than 80 lawmakers have gone there. courtesy of charity affiliated with the lobbying group. we told you earlier president obama invokeed god talking about getting the jobs bill past. white house press secretary jay carney was asked about it this afternoon. >> table phrase from the bible is the lord helps those who help themselves. >> bret: n

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william la jeunesse has been covering it from the beginning and joins us from los angeles, hi, william this 2008 meeting of then u.s. attorney general of michael mukasey and the mexican attorney general follows a failed attempt by u.s. agents at a new technique to stop guns going to mexico. instead of immediately intercepting illegal arms sales, agents paid gun dealers to help them catch illegal buyers. >> they would follow them from my house to a stash house and guns reloaded into the vehicles and driven across the border. >> one buyer was a known smuggler. this december, 2007 memo explains what went wrong. >> they said that they called the mexican authorities ahead of time and alerted them, he's coming, get ready and they'd watch him go across the hill and there was no one on the other side. >> that is part of the debate over the obama administration fast and furious. congressman elijah cummings, the house oversight committee asked chairman darin issa for a hearing with mukasey to deal the operation. details surfaced in the 2007 briefing paper that asked mukasey to persuade mexico to

william la jeunesse is live this afternoon in los angeles. william?well, shep, the republicans began to investigate fast and furious in february when it was obvious the problem wasn't going away, attorney general holder asked its department's inspector general to investigate. essentially two investigations. one by house republicans. the other by cynthia, the justice department's inspector general. they once worked together and republicans believe holder is using the ig investigation to stall congress. >> to stonewall us and deny us access to people who have first-hand knowledgenned the reduce that we can't do it because there is an ig investigation going on is coincidental at best and transparent would probably be a better word. >> history shows that ig reports can be scathing and thorough or a white watch. republicans fear snard's report will not adequately assign blame. 13 times in november holder deferred to the inspector general when asked a question by congress. democrats believe holder is blameless and did not know fast and furious was happening

william la jeunesse on the story for us in los angeles.s about it. >> reporter: harris, right now, 51% of u.s. households pay zero income tax compared to the top 1% which pays 40% of all federal income tax. and yet senate democrats want more and proposing taxing investment income, money made on stocks, the same as ordinary income, but california already has the so-called buffet rule and it's a bugetary nightmare. state revenues dramatically rising and falling with the markets. >> it is true that capital gains income is much more volatile, it goes up and down a lot faster than ordinary income. but it's not hard to forecast that, now where the markets are, you pretty much have a sense of realization. >> well, california more than any other state depends on the rich, those earnings 5 million dollars pay almost 10% of their income state taxes. 1 million, 8.4, versus those making less and majority earnings under 50,000 pay nothing. as a result in 2007, 1% of the people paid almost 50% of allstate income taxes. and the top 10%, about 79%, the to

william la jeunesse has been breaking news on this story from the beginning.e in our west coast newsroom this afternoon. william? >> after months of denial, shepard, this scandal has reached the upper levels of the justice department. we have now evidence that a top aid to attorney general holder admits that he knew government agents allowed guns into the hands of dangerous criminals and across the border. it happened during the previous case called operation wide receiver where the atf recruited a gun dealer in tucson to sell some 450 assault weapons. then they watched as many of those guns crossed into mexico. lanny brewer said that while he learned of these controversial gun walking tactics, he did not speak up at the time and even after atf whistleblowers went public in fast and furious and were accused of lying he still did not speak up. >> i regret that in april of 2010 that i did not draw the connection between wide receiver and fast and furious. and moreover, i regret that even in earlier this you're that i didn't draw that connection. >> now, some in

william la jeunesse with breaking news on this story for a long time.on our west coast news hub this afternoon. william? >> today's senate judiciary hearing was partisan and contentious. misleading and stonewalling. democrats praised holder who blamed the operation on congressional failure to strengthen gun laws. >> fast and furious was a flawed response to and not a cause of the flow of illegal begins from the united states into mexico. >> in his opening statement, holder said fast and furious was flawed in concept and execution. he also clarified previous testimony about when he first learned about the controversial operation. >> i first learned about the tactics and the phrase fast and furious the beginning of this year, i think, when it became a matter of public controversy. in my testimony before the house committee, i did say a few weeks. i probably could have said a couple of months. while 34 house members have called for holder's resignation. grassley said he needed more information. neither ruled it out. >> the person at the highest level of go

william la jeunesse has been following this story for quite some time now.ive in the cube from los angeles. hello, william. >> seized these weapons when serving 12 warrants in phoenix area homes when cartel. one weapon was an kk 47. government officials are not revealing the other. now, both guns, we are told, were purchased by straw buyers in operation fast and furious. because the atf never attempted to follow those weapons, once they left the gun store, we don't know if they went to mexico first and came back or stayed in the u.s. not only did police seize weapons and drugs in that raid, they also arrested 76 suspects, including one who was deported but snuck back and was rearrested within days driving 50 miles per hour in a school zone with $1.6 million in heroin and meth. just a few miles away from where police arrested the 36-year-old francisco s. care and just five hours after monday's press conference announcing the successful raid on his cartel associates. the bottom line, shepard, what this shows, even after a massive bust allegedly broke the arm o

william la jeunesse reporting live for us from arizona. the obama administration will delay a oil pipeline project. critics claim this will cost jobs, a lot of them. the proposed 1700-mile keystone pipeline it would deliver oil from canada, oklahoma, along the gulf coast crossing five states before it reaches texas. jerry willis is host of the willis report on the fox business network. postponed in all likelihood until after theee hrefbgs 2012. what are we to make of this? >> look i'm shocked by this. this is a shovel-ready project that could provide 20,000 jobs. we have 14 million americans unemployed. it seems to me a no-brainer to do this. it means we won't be buying as much oil there th from the middle east, people who don't like it, but buying it close by. if we don't buy it who does? does it get sold to china? a hro*ft questions about this. serious questions that i think deserve an answer. greg: this would have run right through the middle part of the country, and you talked to the governor of north dakota. what is going on there. >>

william la jeunesse with the latest on that and there will be more.d the top deputy for eric holder, lanny breuer. he says you knew more than a year ago about the gun program. >> did you ever inform attorney general holder and deputy attorney general about it and if so when and if not why not. >> i can be no clear if i know then what i know now i would have told the attorney general. bill: brewer insists the gun walking tactics he learned about in april 2010 were not part of operation "fast and furious". instead they were part of a previous investigation of a bush administration prays known as wide receiver. that started about 2005. brewer says he failed to draw the connection between that operation and "fast and furious". let's give you context on all of that. "fast and furious" was hatched in the early months of the obama administration. the bureau of alcohol, tobacco firearms and explosives launched the operation in the fall of twine. so the plan was for atf agents to allow suspects to walk away will legally-bought guns in the hopes of then followi

william la jeunesse is following the story from los angeles. >> i regret in april of 2010 i didn't draw the connection between wide receiver and fast and purous. moreover, i regret even earlier in year i didn't draw the connection. >> assistant attorney general became the first high-ranking official to admit that u.s. allowed gun walking, controversial practice watching smugglers take guns to mexico. >> did ainform the deputy attorney general about it and if so, when? if not, why not? >> i can't be more clear. if i known then what i know now i would have told deputy and attorney general. >> wide receiver was operation in bush administration. similar to fast and furious under the obama administration. where illegally purchased weapons enter mexico instead of being stopped by the atf. documents show brewer and others knew about it last year. been thinking more about wide receiver, wrote the deputy attorney genuinestein in april of 2010. atf headquarters should or will be embarrassed they let this many guns walk. i'm stunned. as the investigation enters the tenth month. the blame game grow

william la jeunesse, thank you very much.s been nearly a year after a gunman shot her in the head at point-blank range. gabrielle giffords is talking. in an exclusive interview with diane sawyer on 20-20 she shared details off her long and painful journey, and how the love of her husband mark kelly helped her see her through. watch this. >> is there a word for mark? what is the first word you think of. >> brave, brave. >> thank you. >> that's what i think of when i think of you too, brave and tough. >> tough, tough, tough,. >> tough as nails. >> tough as nails. martha: who would have ever thought that we would key gabby giffords like that. she has done a remarkable job and has so much strength in her recovery. and she says that she would like to go back to congress she says when she gets better. she and her husband have written a book about her ordeal, called gabby. what a striking interview. a huge testament to their relationship. >> reporter: she was shoet point-blank range, and you can see where she is now, huge strides. m

william la jeunesse out of l.a. this morning.liam, good morning. >> reporter: well, bill, 13 times in that november hearing the attorney general deferred to the inspector general which is one reason why 52 congressmen, all republicans, want him to resign. now, the president and most democrats support him. they believe operation fast and poor crouse, while ill-conceived, was an arizona problem and holder's blameless because he allegedly didn't know. right now you have two investigations that reflect that split, one by congress, the other by the ig requested by holder who says he is not going to fire people until after that investigation is complete. republicans believe he is using that as an excuse to stall. >> to stonewall us and deny us access to people who have firsthand knowledge under the ruse that we can't do it because there's an ig investigation going on is coincidental at best and transparent would probably be a better word. >> reporter: investigators also say they are still not getting access to the people or documents t

william la jeunesse covering that story from the very beginning in l.a. you find out now? good morning. >> reporter: good morning. well, the fast and furious tactics were used two years prior in wide receiver. key difference, atf did contact mexico and did at times try to follow the guns. but that operation also failed to stop the guns or expose the criminal network. mike is a tucson arms dealer recruited and paid by the atf for operation wide receiver. two years before operation fast and furious. >> it wasn't guys like me that were letting that happen. it was atf coming to guys like me and ask to let it happen. >> mike sold some 450 weapons to criminals as the atf watched using hidden cameras and recorders. >> i was wondering if by any chance you have a .50 caliber. >> reporter: here fidel hernandez tries to buy a military-grade assault rifle. >> if you find one that's in the price range that's in the 8 or 9,000, give me a holler. >> i was told not to worry about my guns, that mexican authorities on the other side of the border would either be following

william la jeunesse. thank you.other one of our top stories there are many questions why former penn state coach jerry sandusky was never tried on child sex abuse charges earlier than this past week. sandusky is now charged with w40 counts of sexual abuse but the center county district attorney who decided against pressing charges back in 1998 isn't talking. prosecutor ray gircar vanished several years after that decision was made under very mysterious circumstances. for more on this geraldo rivera joins us. "geraldo at large" here on the fox news channel as well. i'm sorry, you might be hearing a little bit of someone else's mic. we'll try to fix that real quick. geraldo, give us background of this story. what is going on. >> one of the most outrageous thing about sandusky and his serial pedophilia and child raping over these years --. jenna: allegations. >> allegations. are that the allegations date back at least to 1998 n 1998 there was a an incident eerily similar to the 2002 shower where sandusky was caught wit

megyn: william la jeunesse, thank you.ent obama used to define his campaign for the white house with? remember this? >> we are choosing hope over fear. [applause] >> we are choosing unin a tee over division and send ago powerful message that change is coming to america. it's been a longtime coming, but tonight because of what we did on this day, in this election, at this defining moment, change has come to america. now if one voice can change the room, it can change a city. and if it can change a city, then it can change a state. and if it can change a state it can change a country. and if it can change a country it can change the world. megyn: now it seems that message is changing, as he campaigns for a second term. >> sometimes the pays of change is painfully slow. i want you to understand that we've got more work to do. >> these are problems that built up over a decade or more. they won't be solved overnight. it's going to take time to rebuild an america. >> we never said this was going to be easy. we never said that ch

william la jeunesse, thanks.na: millions of americans about to hit the road for thanksgiving, and according to aaa travel is expected to jump 4% this year. did you know that is the biggest increase since the start of the recession, so we're getting back on the road a little bit. what is the forecast for the start of the holiday travel season? that is the biggest question, though, can we actually make it to grandma's house, janice dean? >> reporter: are you traveling jenna lee? jenna: i'm staying local. i was thinking of maybe coming over to your place. >> reporter: come on over. across the eastern seaboard thursday morning might be the good day we have a storm system that is going to affect much of the eastern seaboard on the busiest travel day wednesday. here is where we're dealing with the potential of severe weather across portions of northern texas, through arkansas and kentucky. we could see isolated tornadoes as well today, including dallas and oklahoma city, up towards memphis. tomorrow a little bit more o

william la jeunesse, thank you. and coming up we're going to speak with iowa senator charles grassley. he is ranking member on the senate jewish dish recommittee. he -- judiciary committee. he has been very involved in investigating the justice department on this question. we'll ask him where that investigation is headed next. jenna: well, the burning issue for many americans is jobs, and this is on the agenda at a forum in iowa where most of the republican presidential candidates will be on hand. the two front runners, though, have decided to skip it. we'll find out why. >>> also, the sister of a convicted killer hoping to convince a jury to spare his life. we'll tell you more about that. >>> and later, america's asking senator rick santorum is here to answer your question, and rick is at the web wall reading them all first. you're not giving hims, are you? >> reporter: no, maybe one hint. this is a question from vince sylvester, what's better for the country now. one, to write and pass new laws or, two, to repeal

william la jeunesse, great reporting. thank you so much s. there are increasing calls today for attorney general eric holder to resign. what today's testimony, thinks by one of his top lieutenants, means for his future. peter johnson jr. joins us live in ten minutes on that. we are are you ever flee two months out now from the first gop presidential nominating contest. by this time tomorrow we should have a firm date for the first in the nation primary in new hampshire. meantime we've got brand-new numbers from rasmussen reports showing former massachusetts governor mitt romney with a commanding lead in the granite state, 41%, followed by herman cain at 17%. ron paul is third at 11%. take a look at, well rick perry down at 4%. and jon huntsman at 7%. he's depending on new hampshire as well. joining me now is independent dent pollster and president of rasmussen reports.com scott rasmussen. and chris stirewalt host of power play. scott, let me start with you since you did the poll. it looks like a runaway for romney right noise it not. >> absol

jon: william la jeunesse in l.a. for us, thanks, william. for full coverage on fast and furious, because some of the details can get a little hard to follow, also more of today's testimony by attorney general eric holder, go to our web site, foxnews.com. we have it for you there. >>> right now presidential candidate herman cain will hold a formal news conference later today. he says he'll respond to the latest allegation of sexual harassment, a fourth woman who claims cain made unwanted advances. she came forward yesterday. sharon bialek is the first woman to go public. she describes an incident she says happened 14 years ago. earlier on "america's newsroom," she told martha maccallum why she finally decided to come forward. >> when i saw him running for president and i actually heard him speak and i was sitting in the audience, the thought kept running through any mind as, oh, boy, i hope this man, i hope that nobody else had to have what happened to me, and i really did. i was going to keep mum, and i wasn't going to say a word, i just was

plus, william la jeunesse reports on just how deeply the government has been involved in letting gunsecial report" from washington at 6:00 eastern. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ >> eric: welcome back to "the five." finally other than me speaking truth about the mortgage cries is. here is what michael bloomberg had to say about it. >> it was not the banks that created the mortgage crisis. it was plain and simple, congress, who forced everybody to go and give mortgages to people on the cusp. they were the ones to push fannie and freddie to make loans that were imprudent if you will. they were the ones that pushed the banks to loan to everybody. now want to vilify the banks because it's one target. congress won't blame themselves. >> kimberly: i find this to be an aboutface for our guy. normally bloomberg as of late has been measured in his approach. he hasn't really been trending right, conservative. he is down there trying to be supportive of the occupy wall streeters. now he is actually blaming congress. it's not going out on a limb. numbers support what he is saying. be ho

and while senate republicans agree with that, correspondent william la jeunesse tells us they found plenty testimony to disagree with. >> you're not suggesting, are you, general holder, that it's not your responsibility to have known about this operation, is it? >> well, there are 115 ,000 employees in the united states department of justice. >> and it stops with you. >> i have ultimate responsibility for that which happens in the department. >> using charts, pictures about and home mows, republican senators john cornyn and grassley tried to pin down exactly when holder knew about operation fast and furious. >> memos were your name on it addressed to you referring to the operation fast and furious. are you saying you didn't receive them? >> i didn't receive them. they are reviewed by my staff and determination made on what should be brought to my attention. >> holder defended himself clarifying what he knew and when. >> i first knew about the tactics and the operation fast and furious in the beginning of this cheer when it became a matter of public controversy. in my testimony before the h

william la jeunesse live in los angeles taking a look at that, hi, william. >> well, jamie like any scandal and the spin and sometimes it's hard to follow the evidence without being confused by the rhetoric. fast and furious, one example. consider eric holder's recent appearance before the senate and republicans tried to drill down and find out what the attorney general knew and when, democrats attempt today shift the blame. away from the administration, and to u.s. gun dealers and gun laws. . when the administration and atf say they want multiple long gun sales to be reported, so we can identify the purchasers and prevent the flow into mexico, we shouldn't have the congress stepped in trying to prevent the administration from he requiring the reporting of these long gun sales. >> and democrats say the the answer is tougher gun penalties for trafficking and a law requiring gun stores to tell the government whenever a person tries to buy multiple rifles in a five day period. republicans say that rhetoric is a diversion from the real story. >> the federal government certainly aided and abette

william la jeunesse. bi-partisan group of 100 lawmakers sending a message to the super committee. that message is go big. they say the committee should aim for $4 trillion in deficit reduction and not 1.2 trillion. two of the men who signed that letter are with me now. new york congressman michael grim, a republican and member of the house financial services committee. tim cooper, a memorandum pwefr the oversight and government reform committee. gentlemen, it's an honor to have goat both of you. mr. grim, why did you sign the letter? what was the message there? >> i think it was the reason i what's elected to congress. the people on both sides of the aisle want us to deal with this debt, and admiral pheupbl even said this imullen said this is the number one problem for the united states, the number one threat is this unbelievable burden of debt. we have to answer the call of the people and step up and do what need to be done. i realized in my ten months the only way we'll do this is by working together. l

william la jeunesse now live from phoenix, arizona. what is the latest?, from the very beginning, the terry family has not got an straight answer. from the f.b.i., homeland security, or the department of justice. so now they are speaking out on their son's behalf so the investigation does not end, that justice is served. >> i'm still on a facebook, because i was his friend. i look to see the people role and i look at his video. like a little bit of closure. he's still with me. >> i have trouble with going to the cemetery. he isn't supposed to be there. >> the terrys laid their son brian to rest almost a year ago, victim they say of a government program that armed mexico's largest cartel. >> i can not be expected to know details of every operation. >> attorney general eric holder and chief deputy brewer claim ignorance about the operation. the terrys don't buy it. >> i know they're lying. i know they're lying. i know they're lying. they are nothing but liars. >> tuesday, lawmakers asked if holder wanted to apologize. he declined saying only. >> i certainly

william la jeunesse.l: meantime a hearing is underway on capitol hill as we speak, assistant attorney general lanny breuer testifying on the hill. with me now texas republican john con nirn. he oversees the committee on the justice department. these e-mails. what do they tell you? >> they raise more questions than they answer. the idea of dumping 650 pages of congress the night before lanny breuer, head of the criminal division of the justice department is testifying is just ridiculous. we've had to pull this information out thanks to congressman issa and senator grassley. they have been taking the lead on the investigation. but i have an unanswered letter that i have written to the attorney general asking him about gun walking operations that eminated from texas. there is also another federal age sent, jaime zapata, killed in mexico last year, early this year, and i've asked whether that murder was also connected to this operation. so we don't have many answers and the attorney general when he comes and

william la jeunesse is live in los angeles with more on this.liam, what is this all about today? >> reporter: well, about a dozen conservative republicans including paul go czar from will again go after attorney general holder. they're part of the group of 39 lawmakers calling for his resignation. they're demanding more accountability and transparency from the department of justice. now, sources tell us this investigation into fast and furious and the murder of border argument brian terry is at a near standstill with doj stalling and starving investigators of the documents needed to answer who knew what when. now, this as we await an office of inspector general report that is expected to come out in a few months that could clear the attorney general and may or may not assess blame. others want answers now. >> how can we not demand justice and to hold as people tried to run and hide and resign and dismiss and to not tell the full and complete truth? >> reporter: that came from a very emotional memorial for brian terry this weekend in phoenix. now

william la jeunesse has more. >> reporter: jenna, it takes a lot of guts to stand up for what is rightface of denials and repriseuals by your own agency. these guys came forward and revealed what happened in fast & furious, an operation that could still be going on today had they not blown the whistle. >> any attempt to retaliate against them for their testimony today would be unfair, unwise, and unlawful. >> reporter: yet, atf agents claim that's exactly what happened to the fast & furious whistleblowers. >> they risked everything, knowing that everything they've worked forbes their careers, their reputations, their finances, are all going to be ruined. >> eight agents took their stories up to capitol hill. for most, it's been all downhill since. >> this is what we were ordered to do and every time we question that order, there was punitive action. >> reporter: the atf forced agent john dodson out of phoenix, leaving him with a house he can't sell. he now lives in a south carolina apartment with his two children, a little larry alt says he has unresolved retaliation claims against the

william la jeunesse to explain. >> the president says the resch don't pay their fair share.d tax capital gains at the same rate as income. california already does that with largely disasterrous budgetary results. look here to see why. those earning over $5 million pay a state tax of almost 10%. over 1 million, 8.4%. those earning $80,000 pay just 1.4%. make under 50 grand and you will pay 0.2%. the tax system here already relies heavily on the super rich. in 2007 before the crash just 1% of state taxpayers paid almost 50% of all p. state income taxes. those earning more than 100 grand paid 90%. the reliance on the 1%, about 150,000 taxpayers looks great to the 6 million californians who paid nothing but when the stock market crashed and investment income disappeared so did state revenues, falling by 25%. well, that volatility left, california billions of dollars in debt. >> what is wrong with volatility is that government tends to base their spending decisions on their current revenue when times are good so revenues go up and the governments spend it. they have short time ho

william william la jeunesse is on the story for us since day one. >> reporter: initialeer the departmentnied it even happened. because of the whistle blowers the agency had to admit it was wrong. as for those who stepped up, their lives have changed for the worse, and those who ran the program have not been punished. >> any attempt to retaliate against them for their testimony today would be unfair, unwise, and unlawful. >> reporter: and yet atf agents claim that is exactly what happened to the fast and furious whistle blowers. >> they risk everything knowing that everything they've worked for, their careers, their reputations, their finances are all going to be ruined. >> reporter: eight agents took their stories up to capitol hill. for most it's been all downhill since. >> this is what we were ordered to do and every time we question that order, you know, there was punitive action. >> reporter: the atf forced agent john dodson out of phoenix leaving him with a house he can't sell. he now lives in a south carolina apartment with his two children. agent larry alt says he has unresolved r

william la jeunesse is live in los angeles with an interesting perspective on this for us william.when the drug raid happened, not necessarily knowing about the drugs that would be found. >> reporter: we had no idea a week later we'd be talking about the very guns. this illustrates why atf agents say you can walk money and drugs but not guns. we joined them for a billion dollar bust of the cartel. they seized 105 weapons, and according to paul babeau two of the guns were traced to if's and furious, that's where the a t-rbg f knowingly sold weapons to illegal buyers and watched while they were smuggled to mexico. out of 2,000 fast and furious guns hundreds are still out there and their legacy will live for decades. >> the guns are in the hands of the most rye convenient criminals that come into our state, they pose a threat not only to our officers but to our families in arizona. >> reporter: letting guns walk isn't just dangerous, and of course hurts the criminal case as well, just juries don't like it when the government could have acted to stop a criminal, but chose not to, and o