after two months of false leads in the tate and labianca murders. police got their break in the tate case when this girl, susan atkins, a member of manson's family was arrested in another los angeles murder. and talk to her cellmate about the murders. >> that -- to a hippie called, the family! and there merry leader, charles manson. >> he dances, he sings, he looks beautiful, he looks happy. and this draws a lot of people in. just like people are drawn to little babies. >> they looked like all the other hippies hanging out around l. a.. >> hippies at this point we're associated with peace, love, sharing. >> but detectives -- and as he told us in 2008, these hippies were different. especially their leader, manson. an ex con and want to be a rock star obsessed with the book of revelations and the beatles. >> he thought there were prophets, speaking to him and other people. subliminally, beneath the lyrics of their songs. >> in particular, that cut called helter-skelter. manson's followers were well aware of the -- including rights in l. a.. now, manso

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and the labianca murders, a fork was jabbed into leo labianca abdomen. so this was the tines of the fork but if you want to believe manson was like che guevara, you can believe that if you want to believe he was proof that all this hippie sky was not only disgusting but dangerous come he could be that if you wanted a great grizzly to crime mystery with sex and drugs rock 'n' roll entertainment, you could have that so manson fit so well into that time when every headline anyway was sensationalistic in some way. that he served the nations need for something to believe in and all different categories of belief could see in them what they wanted. that's the fascination of the 1960s and charlie manson, that we were at a time and place where someone like him could mean so many things to so many different people. >> host: cornelius in alexandria louisiana iran with author jeff guinn. >> caller: hello, jeff and peter. god bless both of y'all. now jeff, i want to bring up having an african-american and you know the story of -- i try to i'm sorry, you broke up. >>

vying for who could have the most lurid story about the tate love younger murders today -- tate labianca motors. thus the charlie manson mythology springs up. at this little hippie man with magical powers. but he was a scrawny little thug. we remember him differently because of the times he lived in. that is why i wrote the book. peter: there is an image stuck in my head from 1960 9-1970 of charlie manson with susan adkins, leslie karen winkle, patricia van halton. the three women part of his gang. it is stuck there in time. of course it has stuck there. it is very dramatic. i spent a lot of time with leslie and patricia researching the work. they are in corona california women's prison for life. they will never get out because no california governor wants to be the one to let any of the manson family out on the world. but, they remember the whole trial. vince, of course, the prosecutor, right that fabulous true crime book "helter-skelter" that has sold over 9 million copies in the years since. for charlie it is what he dreamed of. he is the center of international attention. every day b