and that's hurt the people who are labourerers, who work for hourly and wages. there have been other things too. the legalized draft in congress in which, you know, campaign contributions. >> rose: money in politics. >> money in politics means that those who can a-- afford it buy the rule these wabts. their ability to rig the rules. there have been a number of decisions on taxes and you make more money with your money here. there have been a lot of political decisions. you've read the book by two terrific political scientists. >> rose: barbara and barbara. >> no, jay could be hacker at yale that will come back to the two barbaras. jake could be hacker at yale and paul perkins in berkeley, the title was winner take all politics. how the-- how washington helped the rip get richer at the expense of everybody else. and it walks you through, very documented, a series of decisions made in washington under both parties, by the way, that benefitted those at the top at the expense of those-- . >> rose: what is your confidence that you can turn this around? >> it's going