. >> and in particular, that judge we just featured, judge sterling lacy, he was worried about the countyued by the aclu, right? >> yes. we wanted to say the prayer and pledge there but didn't want anybody to know about it, apparently. >> that's kind of crazy. so you brought this up and then it was alleged that you were causing a commotion in this meeting by bringing it up. a disruption, right? >> there was a separate meeting, yes, and the judge back tracked a little bit and tried to put the prayer and the pledge back in and in doing so, deflected the reason for taking it off on me as if i had done it. and i couldn't sit there and listen to him saying that and i said you're lying. and that apparently was what they said was disrupting a meeting. >> well, he was lying, though, wasn't he? >> it wasn't disrupting. he was lying. >> yeah, ok. so then while he may be telling this lie, you're threatened with a fine and jail time, right? >> yes up to a $2,000 fine and up to six months in jail. >> simply for stating the fact hey, if you're going to say the pledge and have a prayer, in an official m