donald trump says laetitia james and alvin bragg, the attorney general of th manhattan ditched attorney ran on a platform to take him down they ran on platforms that involved plastic using donal trump or they believe ha committed crimes tell me the distinction there between -- is an argument that donald trump has that they ar politicized because they ran o a platform of going afte donald trump >> well, he can make the argument, but the question really is not alvin bragg or laetitia james what they have a standin between the prosecutors and trial is a grand jury you have 23 people average citizens picked at random in new york county, manhattan, and they ha to sit in judgment and in th state system the prosecuto can't tell the grand jury want to do the prosecutor cannot sa i want you to indict trump all the prosecutor can do is bring the evidence donald trump actually had witness on his behalf there, and apparently the witness was coaching enough so that the da had to produce more evidence > they ended up bringing david pecker back who, already testified. so something happens there tha wa

that is a very different financial broad civil case tha laetitia james brought that case is scheduled accounts and is going to g to trial it's just a matter of days before the respected judge i the southern district of new york - i think the key facts to kee an eye out for is there ar apparently to contemporary u witnesses who e. jean carrol told this to why is that important? because i think the defens here is that this is all mad up because donald trump became president and this was her way of getting attention that is already of a farfetche claims, who is gonna put themselves through this ordeal but assuming that that i plausibility, problem with tha kind of defense is that if they're too credible contemporaneous witnesses wh she told years ago, long befor anybody else thought tha donald trump was gonna b president. i might, new yorker it would'v never occurred to me tha donald trump would b president. no one thought he would be president of the united states so she told that two people wh were credible. that is a thing that i would keep an eye out for. we >> and your, weisman than

in the new yor state attorney general sweeping civil fraud lawsuit in september, new york a.g laetitia james filed a massive 250 million dollar civil fraud lawsuit a gazing trump, hi adult children and his organization of staggering fraud, for over valuing th assets by billions trump, before that depositio -- he made sure this morning to call a. g. james a racist, because that appears to be his main line of defense here. and since he arrived at the a. g.'s office, he was greete with chance of new york hate you. and then he spent nearly the entire day behind closed doors staying inside for roughly eight hours. that is nearly double th amount of time spent there during his first depositio back in august a spokesperson for the new yor a. g.'s office said trump spok a lot, which was quite different from the last time h was deposed. just two days after the fb searched trump's florida hom for classified documents, trum set for a deposition where h invoked the fifth amendmen nearly 450 times >> i respectfully declined t answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen

along the lines of the kinds of allegations we've see in the civil complaint that wa brought by laetitia james, the new york attorney general, about undervaluing or over valuing assets depending o trump's interest in that scenario he might undervalue them for the purpose of paying taxes, overvalue them for the purpose of obtaining loans so, i think it does remain t be seen what exactly those counts are but if there are 30 of them, you know, it suggests to m that they've got stron evidence and they want to us all of it. >> could this be the kind of case in which prosecutors ar trying to file ric racketeering charges buildin these up in an organized fashion? barb >> it is possible, stephanie rico is used when there is a pattern of racketeerin activity racketeering is a general term that encompasses a lot o different kinds of crimes, tha get used an organized crime, like extortion and bribery and threats and kinds of things. so, it allows the prosecutor t bring together in one case under one umbrella a lot o disparate crimes i guess it's possible. i think in light of what w know, it seems unlikel

he answered every question when the former president' first deposed in laetitia jame of execution thate were told in our reporting as well. what do you make of th difference here that we're learning now >> it's hard to figure out wha accounts for him invoking th fifth amendment last time he was deposed by new yor attorney general tish james' team he reportedly invoked his fift amendment right against self incrimination. more than 400 times this time. apparently, he decided t answer questions substantively i think that's a mistake because everything he says i that deposition can absolutely be provided to new yor district attorney alvin bragg. and to the extent any of i helps alvin bragg's prosecutio or ongoing investigation against donald trump he will be free to use it. i'm not quite sure what th thinking was as a lega tactical matter to have donald trump substantively testif this time around >> glenn kirschner, as always, pleasure sir all right, everybody snl's we can update, colin joust, folks on a very specifi part of the former president post arraignment's been, watch this >> an in

. >> the laetitia james lawsuit, yes. >> so that could be a criminal indictment, it's now a civil fraud case but that could be a criminal indictment. >> which would carry big implications in terms of not just accountability but in terms of crimes, right >> exactly >> it is a wait here investigation. >> - it's civilly charged, th manhattan d.a.'s office coul present to the grand jury an get an indictment. >> what if mr. weisselberg newly released from rikers, he has counsel at least what we'r hearing -- what's being reported -- is that this council i potentially more of a hard-lin council in terms of not playin ball with prosecutors. this council is paid for by th trump organization, as his previous council was how do you read the tea leaves on where allen weisselberg may be in terms of his utility as potential witness and featur investigations >> well, he's clearly -- if he chose -- a valuable witness against donald trump and he is, to now -- he testified at the trial, w are the trump organization, an he was beneficial to the prosecution, but als beneficial to the defense. so, if he has

that really, as we saw when he came in recently, very easily to sit for a long deposition with laetitia jamesney general. we barely heard about it -- him coming in or leaving. so there would be no problem with him attending the trial if you want to. to >> let me see shift your attention to fulton county. there's a timeline. why is this taking so long? >> there could be many reasons. i would speculate that she has a big sweeping rico, which is like a racketeering organized crime type case coming. if you remember, she's an expert in that type of case. that's what she specializes in. and i think she needs some time to develop that type of case. there's lots of evidence, lots of witnesses and i think she's putting this together in a methodical big sweeping way. this isn't a small discreet case like the hush money stormy daniels case that alvin bragg brought. that's a discreet case which is falsifying business records. i think this is going to be lots of people, lots of charges, lots of facts. i think we're going to see a big indictment coming this summer. >> quick answer if you're able, do you th

laetitia james is suing trum and the trump organization for fraud involving misleading representationorder to get better loans an insurance. the penalty of that could be a quarter of a billion dollars the fulton county district attorney in georgia is investigating trump's effort to overturn the 2020 electio results in that state, which included then president trump' infamous phone call to georgia 's republican secretary of state, brad raffensperger, demanding he find enough votes for trump to win there are two department o justice investigations, both being overseen by specia counsel jack smith one focus is on trump's role o january 6th, the other focuses on the tens of thousands o documents classified and otherwise, which trump too with him to mar-a-lago and other properties when he lef the white house. and whether trump tried to obstruct that investigation. trump is also the subject of two defamation lawsuits by e jean carroll, previously accused trump of rape in a department store in the mi 1990s. the second of those lawsuits could potentially go to tria later this month joining me

fulton county district attorney, suggesting she's doing whatever she can t indict him called laetitia jamesafter he suggested and propose that each of these individuals should be ousted from thei positions. for donald trump, the word that he says from these stages they do hit at the level on th ground in which going to waco, texas, last weekend with him you know, these are echoed fro folks on the ground. they think it's important, the difference here, the distinction. he did not speak in th courtroom here today and in so many ways, the campaign stage is the one plac where he does have control tha microphone and there is no judg overseeing him and until there is a gag order in place, we should expect donald trump to continue t play offense because that's the only game that he has ever seen to play. >> to that point, there isn't, as you say, vaughn, there isn' a gag order today. but we did see the judge entertain that at length and substantively at the arraignment today, which i unusual thing to come up at th first instances, right, at the arraignment. was there any sense, and as yo say, you'