i got to go to a monastery in - where was it - lafayett oregon, on a trip when i was a teaching assistant, or maybe i was an undergrad. anyway, i signed up to go on this for five days of silence, and whoa, right off the bat, that's intense. but i remember one of the brothers there, he was a lawyer. he was a young, hotshot lawyer down in los angeles, and he's's on wilshire boulevard one morning, driving his old chevrolet, and he sees the car in front of him is a partner in his law firm, and it's a mercedes, and he's stuck in traffic, and he's just thinking, "okay, so i'm going to put 20, 30 years of my life into this effort being a lawyer, so that i can be stuck in traffic 30 years later in a fancier car? that's what i do? he quit the next day he turned in his papers and he went and became a monk. so something is happening, and that's why i wanted to bring this into the experiential dimension. sure. >> the question i have, they are living by themselves in a very enclosed, capsulated world and becoming satisfied religiously and spiritually within themselves, and yet he's talking about the b