lafleur. and mr. moeller, you're recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, chairman whitfield, ranking member mcnerney, members of the committee, thank you for having us back for this valuable oversight role you undertake for the commission. your staff asked us to focus on three areas in our testimony today and add additional items that we thought were relevant, so i'll talk about the three items, 3,000, pipeline siting and add a couple more, gas/trek rick coordination and some reliability concerns on the electric grilled. i was generally supportive because i felt like it would add to the certainty to build additional electric transmission in this country, and for the most part, i think it's helped particularly with the planning process. it's forced a more open process. there were a couple of areas i disagreed with, the first was how we deal with right of first refusal projects, and this is specific to reliability projects. not economic prompts that reduce congestion costs or trying to promote genera

lafleur? >> well, thank you very as you can tell this is an issue we've been very engaged in for the past two years. commissioner moeller and i have co-chaired a form with a state regulators at naru on this very issue and the epa has come to everything one of our meetings and discussed some of the issues, how compliance is going, how supply chain issues are going and so forth. i would say over most of the country i think mats comply civil underway, a to does not answer to work is going on right now. there's a question in the significant issues are in the midwest due to a variety of factors. in addition to rely on the midwest, the midcontinent iso in the states we need to stay closely involved. >> do you feel like epa is listening to you on these issues because i do because in 2011 when they put out their rule, they include a consultative role for ferc if someone needs a fifth year. i believe that includes not just a fifth year for retrofit but also -- and not just for retrofit but also as they

chairwoman lafleur. >> yes. i think it's bad policy and i supported -- you're talking -- i supported the basic principle that if the d.o.e. orders you to run to you should not face sanctions for that, and that limited instance. >> strongly, stronglstrongly ste concept, especially with what we're hearing about in the midwest and some extent texas. >> yes, sir. mr. norris? >> i think it puts people in an unfair position. >> i would concur and i've been supported of the past -- >> thank you and i yield back the balance of my 41 seconds early. >> thank you very much. we appreciate that. well, that concludes today's hearing. i would like to ask ms. lafleur one additional question. recently, i was brought -- it was brought to my attention that ferc has jurisdiction over number of lakes around the country in which hydropower is being produced. and a decision affecting like in the ozarks and about tearing down some houses and whatever, and then the grand lake in oklahoma, would you be able to identify for the committee

lafleur and mr. norris, do you agree there's a fundamental mismatch between the investment recovery profile of electric generating assets in the way merchant markets are structured? and deeply ferc has a role to play in addressing this problem? mr. north first. in vacuuming capacity market? >> yap. >> yeah, there is a disconnect. they are designed to make shooters adequate resources to be that for the long-term future. some current capacity constructs were largely put in place to provide a revenue stream for generators are not being restructuring areas. there's been a cushion of time for that play out. we reach into the cushion now. we've got to look at capacity markets and play a role in structuring them so long-term supply is available. >> chairman lafleur come anything to add on that? and that the reason we look at markets tc if they attract the investment we need and that includes baseload peking, intermediate demand response, all the things you need to run for it and that's is what will be looki

lafleur. and mr. moore, you are recognized by the. >> thank you, chairman whitfield, recommend, thank you for having us back. for this valuable oversight role that you undertake for the federal energy regulatory commission to i am a sitting commissioner and your staff asked us to focus on three areas in our test was today, and add additional items that we thought were relevant so i'll talk about the three items. pipeline citing, hydroelectric citing and add a couple more, gas electric ordination and summer liability concerns on the electric grid. related to order 1000, i was generally supportive of order 1000 because i felt like it would add to the certainty to build need additional electric transmission in this country. and for the most part i think it's helped particularly with the transmission planning process. it's force a more open and arguably more accountable process. there were a couple of errors that i disagree with the majority want to the first was how we deal the right of first refusal pro

i would like to ask is lafleur one additional question. recently, it was brought to my attention that ferc has jurisdiction over lake of ozarks about tearing down some houses and then after the grand lake in oklahoma. would you be able to identify for the committee the name of the individual at ferc that would have up to date information on the authority and jurisdiction that you all have over these leaks in which hydropower is being produced? not right now, but later. >> absolutely. >> and without objection and hopefully you've all seen this, we have a letter from the american public power association, a statement that they would like to insert into the record without objection. so that's entered and we will keep the record open for ten days because as mr. hall and others said there are additional questions we would like to submit to you all. but i want to thank you for coming up today and visiting with us and for the exchange that we had and thank all of you for what you are doing and continue to do in addressing these important issues.

lafleur, and we look forward to working with you on many issues facing our country as we adjust to this changing landscape that we all are very much involved in. i would say that i think the transcending issue that certainly encompasses everything we're talking about today does relate to the way the changing landscape of energy in america, with this low price natural gas we see a transformation from coal to natural gas. ..