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it's kind of reminiscent of lahaina, maybe not that congested because lahaina was very densely populated, but in some neighborhoods they only had one way in, one way out. and a lot of these communities, you're seeing similar roads where traffic backs up. that's why people ditched their cars earlier this week, because they were concerned that the fire was moving too fast and they didn't want to chance it. so that's why officials are reminding people, if you are told to evacuate or let me step back if you are told or if you receive a warning, that is your time to start packing up and to be ready to go so that you can hop in that car and immediately leave. and fire officials say that helps them out, too, because they're big trucks are trying to get into the neighborhood to try to save homes. so it is really important that when you get those evacuation warnings and orders to abide by them and do not stay. people have talked about they've tried to save their homes, and one of the victims we've heard from their family, he was found with a water hose still in his hand. so they're advising not t

it's the tubbs fire, the camp fire again, the marshall fire out in colorado, the fire in maui, the lahaina fire. this is becoming an increasing societal problem. but this is really at the upper end of what we see in these events. and obviously with devastating impact on our communities, it is devastating. >> i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us as a layman, especially neil lareau, an atmospheric sciences professor at the university of nevada, reno. thank you for joining us on mornings on two. the nine. thank you. thank you sir. >> all right. let's get over to steve paulson. in that interview, you saw the interview. he said there was a stuck pattern. steve and i've heard steve say that a lot. >> neal and i can sit down at a pub and have a ginger ale. >> yeah, you deserve it. >> no, no, him and i are exactly the same. we're reading the same signs. no doubt about it. that was good. he was really good there. but he's right. you know, these are these are patterns that just don't break down. they're called blocking patterns and they're stuck. and, you know, maybe not as strong an event

the maui fire that destroyed lahaina was sparked by a wildfire declared out six hours earlier.s fire, the most destructive in colorado history, began when a small fire reignited after six days. 1,000 structures were destroyed. now with potentially destructive winds starting again, l.a. officials are warning residents be prepared to leave immediately. but the city has not issued any new guidelines, even after last week's chaotic evacuations. >> ahead of this latest event you have businesses that are proactively closing, essentially treating this event like it was a hurricane or a blizzard. if they are taking those steps, why are you not implementing broader closures right now to keep your constituents safe? >> we are doing everything we can to keep angelenos safe. if there is a need for closures, that will be done, but right now we are in preparation. >> reporter: that preparation includes a massive influx of boots on the ground. more than 15,000 firefighters are now in place, compared to fewer than 1,500 when the fire started. >> all fire departments and all law enforcement age

this reminds me so much of covering the paradise fire up in california over five years ago, lahaina andaui over a year ago. now those lessons, painful lessons in how to defend mountain communities and paradise alarm systems in lahaina. and this is going to be lessons in urban wildfire right now. this state is already in the middle of an insurance crisis in which many major insurance stopped writing policies, homeowner policies. the price has gone through the roof for people who call this place home now, and this will only add to that this is one of the most expensive pieces of real estate. this zip code anywhere in the united states. and so many of those over 1000 different structures burned to the ground paradise, over 16,000 smaller. but but the kinds of homes here are very different. this is a whole 'nother layer. and and you have to also think about adaptation and infrastructure and how we live with fire on an overheating planet right now and how to battle these. the big concern here as the hydrants went basically worthless in the middle of the night last night, because this is the

lahaina, for example, still very much in difficulty also when it comes to the economy and so on.ese questions will be asked. they are being asked by the likes of the governor, gavin newsom. this really was what authorities had called sadly the perfect storm when it comes to these climatic conditions, when it comes to those hurricane like winds, and the topography of the area. the clue is in the name, hollywood hills. you have these canyons and then the chimney-like conditions, and that is why you see random destruction in some places, where the fires jump from house to house at random. i still think, the warning is, the wind could whip up again in the coming days, and people are just anxious about what could lie ahead. christian: thank you very much for that. let's speak to peachy keen and who had to evacuate her home in l.a. with her five kids and pets. our hearts go out to you, they really do. and awful scene to see on our screens. did you get to take anything with you, do you know what the situation is at home? >> yes, i've actually hear in my house. we left for two nights. i

this reminds me so much of covering the paradise fire up in california over five years ago, lahaina andi over a year ago. now those lessons, painful lessons in how to defend mountain communities and paradise alarm systems in lahaina. and this is going to be lessons in urban wildfire right now. this state is already in the middle of an insurance crisis in which many major insurance stopped writing policies, homeowner policies. the price has gone through the roof for people who call this place home now, and this will only add to that this is one of the most expensive pieces of real estate. this zip code anywhere in the united states. and so many of those, over a thousand different structures burned to the ground paradise, over 16,000 smaller. but but the kinds of homes here are very different. this is a whole nother layer. and and you have to also think about adaptation and infrastructure and how we live with fire on an overheating planet right now and how to battle these. the big concern here as the hydrants went basically worthless in the middle of the night last night, because this is

this reminds me of lahaina and paradise combined and expanded. it is really unreal. but coming up later in the show, we were also up in topanga where you saw that that little, uh, amazing community banding together there, watching that line hold the line. and we're going to and we asked what their impressions are of the first responders who are catching a lot of heat these days. but i'll be back with you later in the show to share that. >> all right, bill, look forward to that. we're going to take a short break. we'll have more from a number of spots. as we said, there are six fires. the two major fires zero containment on those, the eaton fire. and here the palisades fire a lot ahead. stay with us. >> why do 80% of nfl players choose a sleep number bed? >> because the higher my sleep iq score, the better i play. but that's not the only reason he likes to stay firm. >> i like my side. soft sleep number does that effortless comfort all night. >> so sleeping on a smart bed is why you can play like this. >> yeah, because i also like to sleep cool and i like to sleep eve

before this is anything like what it was somewhat a little bit reminiscent here of the situation in lahaina in hawaii. >> there you have it. ktvu tom vacar giving us the very latest from malibu tonight in southern california. tom, we appreciate the support right now. also, firefighters are working to protect homes and neighborhoods that still remain threatened inland closer to pasadena. but for other neighborhoods, this firestorm just too much and leveled homes. ktvu zac sos arrived on scene late this afternoon in the area of altadena, and shows us some of the damage from the eaton fire. >> we are at the eaton fire in altadena, some 10,600 acres now burned. 0% containment they have around, i'm told 700 more than 700 firefighters working on this. and they are certainly facing their challenges right now. everywhere you look, really another fire popping up. these are the type of spot fires they really can't do anything about. these fires get put out. they come back up with the wind. just a few minutes ago down there. you can probably make it out just in the distance. that is a bank of america.

the maui fire that destroyed lahaina was stoked by a wildfire that was declared out six hours earlierand this fire, the most destructive in colorado history began when a small fire reignited after six days. 1,000 structures were destroyed. now, with potentially destructive winds but starting again, l.a. officials are warning residents, be prepared to leave immediately, but the city has not issued any new guidelines, even after last week's chaotic evacuations. >> ahead of this latest event you have businesses that are practically closing, essentially treating this event like it was a hurricane or a blizzard. if they are taking those steps why are you not implementing broader closures right now to keep your constituents safe? >> we are doing everything we can to keep angelenos safe. if there is a need for closures that will be done, but right now we are in preparation for tomorrow. >> reporter: that preparation includesa massive influx of boots on the ground. more than 15,000 firefighters are now in place, compared to fewer than 1500 when the fires started. >> all fire departments and a

lahaina, maui, hawaii. who thinks of hawaii when they think of wildfires?whole town wiped off the map. right now we're seeing l.a. being burned to the ground and the entire wildfire community has been speaking for years, shouting from the rooftops that this big one was going to be coming, and we're not ready. and now we're seeing the impacts of that. >> but how do you get ready in this instance? i mean, if there are more aerial firefighters, but they can't go out, so they obviously have to be careful with the winds. and so what what is the alternative to to something like that? or is it you just wait for the winds to die down? >> well number one it is code. so we need to be ready for these fires beforehand. so aggressive vegetation management we have to make sure we actually have water sources available. you've been seeing a lot of criticism of the california government and other entities in the government, not unfairly, about the restriction of water use. so there will be reservoirs of water that during a wildfire, you literally will have to fly over and g

lahaina, maui, hawaii. who thinks of hawaii when they think of wildfires?whole town wiped off the map. right now we're seeing l.a. being burned to the ground and the entire wildfire community has been speaking for years, shouting from the rooftops that this big one was going to be coming, and we're not ready. and now we're seeing the impacts of that. >> but how do you get ready in this instance? i mean, if there are more aerial firefighters, but they can't go out, so they obviously have to be careful with the winds. and so what is the alternative to to something like that? or is it you just wait for the winds to die down? >> well number one it is code. so we need to be ready for these fires beforehand. so aggressive vegetation management, we have to make sure we actually have water sources available. you've been seeing a lot of criticism of the california government and other entities in the government, not unfairly, about the restriction of water use. so there will be reservoirs of water that during a wildfire, you literally will have to fly over and go to

and it's all eerily familiar from lahaina in maui to paradise in northern california, a distraught public and entire towns singed off the map. and still, while containment is growing, the dangerous santa ana winds return again monday. los angeles, glamorous home of the nation's entertainment elite and wildfire capital of the west will now have to envision a new more resilient path forward in our climate changing world. >> that was jonathan vigliotti reporting. stay with us. "cbs news roundup" will be right back. (♪♪) (♪♪) voltaren... for long lasting arthritis pain relief. (♪♪) [coughing] hi susan, honey? yea. i respect that, but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin, with real honey & elderberry. >>> there is an organization in oakland, california, dedicated to helping artists with disabilities reach their full potential. for some that includes having their work on display at museums and galleries around the world. luke burbank paid a visit. >> the reds at the

you know, we saw what happened in lahaina, in maui, but this is well beyond that. >> it's devastating. we are -- our number one priority is to make sure people get out safely. >> john: wow. so let me ask you this because this came up in the press conference with the l.a. county supervisor, catherine barger, and as well as mayor karen bass. is there appeared to be a lack of water at the higher elevations for your fire crews to be able to fight the fire. do you know how that happened and how did that hamstring your efforts to keep the fire from destroying so many homes? >> you see the devastation when the devastation goes through that rapidly and that quickly, it taxes the infrastructure. the power goes out. the hydrants started losing pressure because the generators start kicking on and there's a delay. but i do know our firefighters are trained to pivot to be able to find additional water sources. we have water tenders on site to start filling our engine companies, but initially, it was challenging. you see the devastation. we were in survival mode. our number one priority is to make

them to approve aid for superstorm sandy victims and a year and a half to approve aid for maui, for lahainas incredible. >> the bill is in the billions, and it's going to take time. these people don't have -- have nothing left. charlie: cheryl, thank you for joining us. watch cheryl host fox news live with bill melugin 10:00 a.m. to noon today. fox corporation made a $1 million donation to the red cross california wild fires relief effort that provides safe shelter, hot meals, emotional support and other re-sours. support the american red cross by donated today. visit go.fox/read cross or scan the qr code on your screen. coming up, from a friendly exchange from obama to a mar-a-lago exchange with john fetterman. friends everywhere he goes. . borrow up to a hundred thousand dollars to consolidate bad debt and save money for your next goal. take a swing at your kitchen reno... meant that literally. or design your actual dream wedding. consolidate bad debt and fund all your ambitions with a sofi personal loan. go to sofi.com to view your rate. sofi. get your money right. if have heart disease

from the high intensity fires like the movie saw here, like we saw in marshall fire pit we saw in lahainawhen emily saw in paradise. we need to take all above strategy to make sure communities can become more resilient is incredibly dangerous risk. we need to make sure were spending the money and hardening our communities but we need to make sure spending money on fuels reduction around our community we n to increase that effort by factor of 10. we need to invest in technology that might be able to offer help to the front line firefighters on these very difficult days and potentially offer the hope of stopping some of these fires on is very, very difficult days. jon: the word at least one of these fires, it may be more than one was arson caused is just absolutely appalling. you can make all the predictions you want and try to get people prepared and ready for an accidental fire but they do have somebody take advantage of the situation like that is just appalling. >> it boggles the mind. it's almost like a no possible punishment can be enough if that is the case this much damage to our com

be relatively easy to fix up, but the way we saw this is very much like, as i mentioned yesterday, lahainathis is a complete rebuild project, and when they rebuild it, they've got to figure out a way that if we're going to have stronger santa ana winds, that what they have got to do, they just have to build it with materials that will not catch fire from embers that come over from the santa ana wind fires. once again, you can see here's fire trucks. they're looking for hotspots and they are very serious. and this guy is looking up to seeing if anything's going on with the utilities. but there are plenty of police officers and other people going through here doing the very same thing. because part of this is to show a presence that if you show up here and we see you, you're in trouble. you bet. >> all right, back to you, tom vaca with the very pete g. writes, "my tween wants a new phone. how do i not break the bank?" we got you, pete. xfinity mobile was designed to save you money and gives you access to wifi speeds up to a gig. so you get high speeds for low prices. better than getting low

will: i can tell you as a precedent, perhaps, that hine that, maui, the answer -- lahaina, maui, the, no. they will not, i believe the latest is they will not be rebuilt because of environmental regulation. they will not be grandfathered into a rebuild to look the same as it did before. rachel: that's really sad. i loved seeing those houses on the water. i couldn't own one, but i still liked seeing them. [laughter] charlie: yeah. obviously, a lot of the regulations that went in and the poor planning that went into allowing in the happen are also going to be a hindrance to rebuilding. but you know the other thing, we often talk about how wildfires are a natural part of the process and, of course, they are in nature. but, you know, a wildfire in the woods with burns, you know, leaves and trees and wood and debris. this burning of houses and cars and plastic and tires creates a whole new problem in terms of, you know, environmental problem- will: absolutely. rachel: air a quality, sure. charlie: and beyond area quality, you know, once the air quality is improved, you still have to clean

we saw this story play out in lahaina in hawaii, and the governor there at the time put a stop to that because he didn't want to see these residents who lost everything be taken advantage of. if are you getting reports of that happening now in los angeles? >> we are starting to get reports of that. we're starting to get reports of people setting up fake gofundme pages trying to entice people who want to doe donate and and help out to this crisis to give it to people who deny suffer. we're going to see insurance scams, inevitably, government benefit scams. this is what follows, sadly, on these tragedies. but what we're going to be doing is putting together a task force both federal, state and local to go after these defrauders, to go after these scammers and these looters and make sure they understand that if they want to take advantage of this tragedy, that they will actually suffer maximum punishment. the warning shot is to deter them from doing it in the first place. this is your warning. the minnesota you cross that line, we're going to be coming after you with the full force of the

but i've seen again, from lahaina to paradise to all of these disasters, people cycle sort of through the five stages of grief because what you know, your community is gone. and so the five stages, initially it's denial. like, i can't believe this is happening. and then there's anger and bargaining and depression. before you get to acceptance, which may not be surrender, but accepting that this is the hand that you've been dealt. the sooner you get there, the sooner you can rally and rebuild and recover. so it's understandable that there's all this sort of pent up emotion right now that is so natural, given the stakes, given the fear, given the loss, people have to process this in their own way. >> i mean, bill, just watching these vehicles flying by, trying to get to the next blaze just tells you how this is still ongoing. the urgency, the devastation. bill weir thank you so much for being there. i want to bring in the captain of the los angeles county fire department. sheila kelliher. it's good to see you again, captain. i know that you have been informing the public about all that'

lahaina, i can't remember the last year, or the year before, and you know, we're extremely empathetic. but you know, here we are, and you know, we feel like we've now gone through, you know, what the residents of maui went through. you know, recently. and residents of other natural disasters. and unfortunately, these types of situations, you know, seem to be, you know, expanding and getting worse throughout the country, which, you know, should be an impetus to really evaluate and think about how we approach these types of disasters and address climate change and address the risks that we all face. >> there is no doubt, there are critical questions out there that need to be talked about, but in the meantime, all i can say is i'm awfully glad, darrin, that you and your family are safe. obviously, that is the most important thing. and we wish you luck. in what i know will be a long road forward. darrin hurwitz, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. we really appreciate it good luck to you. >> thank you, chris. >>> those same, fierce santa ana winds aren't just spreading fire. gust

looking back to maui, that horrible fire in lahaina, it took about a year for that investigation. and at the end of it, they found that downed power lines were the cause. so it could be a really long road ahead here in the palisades reporting in the pacific palisades. brittany, hope back to you. thank you. brittany. well, meteorologist kari hall, of course, tracking those winds. and as crews go to the front lines. kari. i mean, we're talking about a critical fire here. it's been so hard. and seeing that the wind events that we've had have lasted so long. and then even when they do get a break, we know that there's more high winds on the horizon and still no rain in the forecast. as we take a look at our wind this morning, it is, for the most part, pretty calm in the hills and the mountains. it's been gusty up to about 23mph. and the fire weather outlook for today, this coming out from the storm prediction center showing the extreme fire danger that will be in those hills just north of la and continuing into tomorrow as well. here's a look at the wind forecast. we are expecting the

it makes me think of lahaina.ink of northern california, napa, those fires where you literally had lots of homes next to each other. blocks. >> we're on calaveras street and bit of a different situation than you were just hearing from what they're seeing on the helicopter. this is a street where, yes, this home, as you can see, it appears to be a total loss. flames still ripping through the home. the only thing that's left really what appears is the chimney and the other brickwork in front of the house. the fire department is here. they're putting a lot of effort into what they can to keep the fire from spreading. but if you come this way, dave, look the other direction, it's a different situation because every other home on this street is just fine. >> several firefighting crews from the bay area and in southern california now are in southern california now trying to save homes. their strike teams from santa clara, san mateo and san francisco have all headed to los angeles. they'll be on the front lines facing th

people are sick and tired of it lahaina in maui, texas earlier last year and of course now seeing in the big one we have all been warning about for years we would have a massive wild land urban face fire which is what this is. wildfire interfacing with urban structures causing massive damage killing a lot of people. this is out of control. mismanagement from our federal agencies and state agencies and just left a meeting with president trump discussed this very subject and time for comprehensive wildfire reform in this country. we need empower emergency management agencies to actually fight these fires. as you said there is not enough airplanes ready to launch. there is not water in the fire hydrants we need to be ready to protect our people. when people ask about the america first agenda this is front and center. america first. let's make sure we can protect our communities. >> laura: we also found out that they sent a bunch of so-called excess fire fighting equipment to ukraine. that's what they did in the l.a. fire department. i guess that was authorized by congress to do that. ev

looking back to maui, that horrible fire in lahaina, it took about a year for that investigation, and at the end of it, they found that downed power lines were the cause. so it could be a really long road ahead here in the palisades. reporting in the pacific palisades. brittany, hope back to you. thank you. brittany. yeah, we know those downed power lines in maui caused it, but what added to it were those high winds. and that's the same problem we've had in southern california. yeah, we've still had some high wind gusts since then, but it hasn't been as strong. so that's the good news. but we're still dealing with some dangerous conditions as we take a look at our current winds around the palisades fire and some of the hills, the winds have been up to about 18mph. not too strong, but we are looking at a forecast that causes those winds to increase once again, as we take a look at the areas we're really concerned with in those same spots where the eaton fire and even the palisades fire continues. as we are looking at a wind forecast of 55 to 65 mile per hour winds in the late morning t

this reminds me of lahaina and paradise combined and expanded. it's it is really unreal. but coming up later in the show, we were also up in topanga where you saw that that little, uh, amazing community banding together there, watching that line hold the line. and we're going to and we asked for what their impressions are of the first responders who are catching a lot of heat these days. but i'll be back with you later in the show to share that. >> all right, bill, look forward to that. we're going to take a short break. we'll have more from a number of spots. as we said, there are six fires. the two major fires, zero containment on those, the eaton fire. and here the palisades fire a lot ahead. stay with us. >> just because it's wet outside, you don't need to wear boots. presenting skechers waterproof sneakers with rugged, 100% waterproof construction in a comfy, breathable, lightweight, easy to wear sneaker. ditch the boots and experience comfy, capable skechers waterproof sneakers. it. are you ready for this? >> are you ready for this? are you ready for this new alka-s

you've been in lahaina. i was there for that fire as well, and we know that this is a painstaking, long process. once authorities are able to get into the area to do the recovery. cadaver dogs being used in that effort. but it may be a while until we have a full picture of just how many lives have been lost. bill. >> gloria pazmino. thank you. and yes, our hearts go out to all who knew and loved those people who were lost. firefighters now continue to battle the eaton fire near altadena. that is where several thousand of the 10,000 buildings destroyed so far were at one point. next, we're going to talk to a family that lost their family home to that blaze. stay with us the whole story with anderson cooper is a five time emmy winner for long form journalism. >> this week, l.a. burning the whole story with anderson cooper tonight at eight on cnn. >> type two diabetes. >> discover the ozempic tri zone. oh oh oh ozempic. i got the power of three. i lowered my a-1c cv risk and lost some weight. >> in studies, the

so like it reminds me of lahaina in maui going there that we lack the capacity of imagination of theworst that could happen. no one imagined all of the palisades burning down, and you don't want to imagine what happens if this wind shifts and pushes us into santa monica. uh, perish the thought. >> yeah, absolutely stunning what you are seeing. thank you very much, bill. and next, we're going to be seeing natasha chen's report. i mean, it was incredible. she was in the middle of the fires and staying to show everyone what was happening, then barely able to safely escape when she and her crew found themselves surrounded by raging fire and breaking news on capitol hill this hour, president elect trump has just arrived. as more republicans tonight are backing his plan of taking greenland and changing the gulf of mexico's name to the gulf of america. >> five good things. listen wherever you get your podcasts. >> time to press rewind with neutrogena rapid wrinkle repair. it has derm proven retinol expertly formulated to target skin cell turnover and fight not one, but five signs of aging w

this reminds me of lahaina and paradise combined and expanded. it is really unreal. but coming up later in the show, we were also up in topanga where you saw that that little, uh, amazing community banding together there, watching that line hold the line. and we're going to and we asked for what their impressions are of the first responders who are catching a lot of heat these days. but i'll be back with you later in the show to share that. >> all right, bill, look forward to that. we're going to take a short break. we'll have more from a number of spots. as we said, there are six fires. the two major fires zero containment on those, the eaton fire. and here the palisades fire a lot ahead. stay with us. >> at morgan stanley old school. >> hard work meets bold new thinking. >> partnering to unlock new ideas, to create new legacies, to transform a company. industry economy generation. because grit and vision working in lockstep puts you on the path to your full potential. old school grit, new world ideas, morgan stanley now's the time to go back in time and shine a lig

um, it moved out of the wildland and into the community, similar to lahaina paradise, california, oralso the incident that we had in colorado. i believe it was the marshall incident. >> one of the other things that we've heard about, chief is insurance companies or individual people hiring private firefighters. one company says they had hundreds of people on their wait list in the first few days of the palisades fire. and if you want to pay for it, it's $5,000 a house. in times of an emergency. um, are these services helpful? how do you interact with them? >> well, they're certainly helpful for those that can afford it. and, you know, i want everybody to be protected, not just those that that have the financial resources or whose insurance carrier sends, sends out these private fire brigades. i think that's something we're really going to have to address after this immediate incident is over. i'd like to see more equity for everyone when it comes to getting their homes protected. um, i do stand by my comments. earlier, municipal water systems are not made to to combat, uh, a communit

but this really looks almost like the lahaina maui fire. um, it started as a brush fire. it's moved into the interface area and into neighborhoods, and it is really wind driven. >> brian, you said that you spoke recently with a firefighter. are you hearing anything at this time about the human toll here? i mean, you note, of course, that people clearly incredibly afraid. we've heard here at cnn that at least one firefighter was injured. but do you know anything more about how many people may have been injured or, god forbid, killed so far in these fires? >> just a general information we know, um, have not heard of any reported civilian deaths, nor firefighter deaths. we're seeing in the civilian population. there have been several, i've been told, multiple burn injuries, um, that have reported kind of into the pch area and then into the beach areas. they've been treated, taken to hospitals, don't have a number, don't don't know the severity. you're going to get that information probably later today when the fire department and the incident command gives an overview. um, a

. >> and we're in this cycle, unfortunately, that that is so familiar from lahaina and even from paradise before where we were now in this sort of zone of uncertainty, there still active fires out there. there still gas leaks. you got to make sure that these places are safe before forensic teams can go in and check. and people are just getting every hour that goes by where they don't know where a loved one is. they wonder, so there's going to be inflated numbers in the beginning right now. but certainty is something we need sooner than later. >> yeah, it's just hard to even think about already looking at the devastation. and then on top of it, bill weir and malibu. thank you for for bringing us the reports from there on the ground, letting us get an up close look at all of it. thank you all so much for joining us on this very busy hour. we're going to continue to follow all of this. cnn newsnight with abby phillip is up next. >> one of the most destructive natural disasters in the history of los angeles. >> looks like a bomb scape, a war zone. >> helicopters dropping water. >> homes just

it reminded me of lahaina, maui and front street. there is a ton of devastation and a countless leveled homes along that area. we had another major brush fire, the hurst fire that was in sylmar, kind of the north part of l.a. 2000 acres, 0% contained. there was another fire called the easton fire that had two deaths already, and that just started today. so again, there's significant issues going on throughout the area. but what we have done is we've requested to have additional resources from automatic aid. so nearby fire stations have come in to help. we've called in for more assistance from the state. and you were given everything we can right now. >> i mean, your resources were already stretched. i know other states are helping. we heard that from the governor earlier, but. but now, with another fire on on your watch. i mean, what does this look like over the next few hours? and are you worried that more fires are going to start in the next few hours? >> this is going to be extremely challenging for the next few hours. last night

and it just reminds me of what happened in paradise and what happened in lahaina, maui, in which total devastation, just block after block has been gutted by flame and they lost two of their groceries. there are two major grocery stores, two schools, a library here just in this block that i'm surrounded in. you see the embers behind me of what was the lowry art gallery, browning shops. this was a ups store, doctor's offices around. it's so devastating. you know, paradise. i just went back there five years after that was the historically the most devastating fire in recent history. in this state, only about a third of the people remain. they came back to rebuild and had to rebuild in a whole new way. the people who were there really want to be there, but they had to rethink the relationship with the land. and that was certainly will be the case in a place like this. the palisades 100 year history here, settled by methodist like a century ago. and then a lot of jewish intellectuals fleeing world war two settled here. so it's this really beautiful melting pot, very aspirational real estat

and it just reminds me of what happened in paradise and what happened in lahaina, maui, in which total devastation, just block after block has been gutted by flame and they lost two of their groceries there two major grocery stores, two schools, a library here just in this block that i'm surrounded in, you see the embers behind me of what was the lowry art gallery, browning shops. this was a ups store, doctor's offices around. it's so devastating, you know. paradise. i just went back there five years after. that was the historically the most devastating fire in recent history. in this state, only about a third of the people remain. they came back to rebuild and they had to rebuild in a whole new way. the people who were there really want to be there, but they had to rethink the relationship with the land. and that was certainly will be the case in a place like this. the palisades 100 year history here, settled by methodist like a century ago. and then a lot of jewish intellectuals fleeing world war ii settled here. so it's this really beautiful melting pot, very aspirational real estat

we last night was gobsmacking compared to what i've seen in lahaina to paradise. but 9000 buildings, they're estimating just from this one fire. this doesn't even count the poor folks up in altadena. what's going on there? uh, so it's hard to say. and this, of course, is the result of an overheating planet drought, a huge fuel load that was built by this whiplash of too much water last year. not enough in recent months now. and the world just not being built for that. first responders not being built for for that, you know, hydrant systems not being built for this new reality. so these are really, really, really painful lessons in real time. and i think people are figuring it out in real time. >> it's ongoing for so many bill weir thank you so much for bearing witness. i, i hear you, bill. we're going to come back to you bearing witness to this excruciating moment on the west coast. let's hear from more. the fury of these wildfires in the los angeles area look like something out of a horror movie. my next guest, unfortunately, is playing a starring role, something

thankfully, none of those missing children reminds me of the lahaina fires when the numbers were in theundreds for days before it settled down. around 100 people finally lost. so there's so much lower than you expect, given the vast area, which probably indicates a lot of people did evacuate when they should have. but now, as we get this respite in the wind and we get the sunshine and reminds people of why you want to live in southern california, it's also allowing cadaver dog crews, forensic teams, to go into these neighborhoods and find more souls lost so that death count now up to 16, and they're expecting that, sadly, to grow. 29 people arrested so far in the fire zones, 25in the eaton fire up in the pasadena, altadena area, a couple of them actually dressed as firemen who were trying to burglarize homes. and of course, the red flag warnings have been extended. a red flag is essentially the cocktail of dry vegetation, low humidity and high winds, and all of those things are in place now as the winds are expected to kick up. later tomorrow and possibly into tuesday as well. they've r

now, we're seeing in the last year and a half, lahaina, hawaii, burned to the ground.new jersey had terrible fires. texas had the largest fire in texas history last year, and now we're seeing our largest city in america being burned to the ground. so we need to get serious about having ready wildfire solutions year round all over the country. because as we see, even in january, wildfires are a very real threat. we have to overhaul across cutting through the bureaucracy solution to make sure we're actually ready to fight these fires wherever they occur. >> i got a funding question. you're a member of the u.s. senate now. funding critically important. how is fighting wildfires, senator treated differently than regular firefighting? from a funding perspective, almost entirely. >> wolf, it's actually sickening. if you look at how we pay our wildland firefighters versus how we pay our urban firefighters or our military members. we take great care of our military men and women. from a health care perspective, va benefits to their salary. it's not perfect, but it's pretty dar

we've seen it in lahaina, we've seen it in marshall.have an entire communities that are displaced now. and you are going to see terrible dislocations for those families as we try to, you know, provide the housing that we need to keep these folks in the same geographic area. many folks will be forced to move outside of their their home area to find new schools, to find new places to live while we rebuild these areas. this is a multi year of recovery effort. and you know, we just need to make sure that these resources are going in as quickly as possible. and we're knocking down any barriers to rebuilding quickly. but there is no doubt that it will take months for these families. months and years for these families to recover. >> but i guess my question is more, um. not theoretical, but but i'm grasping for words. but like, is there going to be a palisades fire in the future? i mean, is it going to be rebuilt? >> i think the answer is yes, but i think what you're pushing on is a crucial issue, which is that around the country and around th

washington and provide greater benefits than than the standard statute, just as we did for hawaii and lahaina. there's 43,000, $43,600 for housing related things as a grant, not a loan, 43,600 for everything else from funerals to burned out car. and of course, this is only uninsured losses. if your insurance company is going to pay, the government won't. and then there's a program to lend up to half $1 million at a low interest rate to rebuild the home. but the we've got people with very substantial homes with very inadequate insurance. they couldn't get insurance. and we're going to need to provide funds for cdbg grants to people who have have lost everything and cannot rebuild their home, even for $43,000. >> this may be a broad question to end on, but what do you think fundamentally needs to change as we go forward? i mean, i know the road ahead and you suggested this a little bit. we're going to have to rethink a lot. but what do we have to rethink about cities like la or the way that we are currently living, where these natural disasters are becoming more extreme? and it seems as we're l

i was in, um, lahaina, i was santa rosa. i was just in north carolina for halloween four times.ut all the firefighters i just spoke with, and i know we say this every fire, but this one is the worst i've ever seen. it's one of the worst disasters i've ever seen. and the firefighters here who have been doing this 20 years said the same. the way the fire moved, you know, 20, 30 blocks sent embers moving 20, 30 blocks ahead of homes and just the winds and how quickly it moved into very densely urban areas was unlike anything they've ever faced before. and i my fear is that this is we're this is the next level of disaster that will get used to and like, where do we go from here? >> where do we go from here? it is quite, quite a question. the question really. brianna sax, thanks very much for your perspective. i appreciate it. all right. coming up next, we are expecting to get new information soon from authorities in los angeles as they investigate how these fires started and folks trying to take advantage of the victims and the horrible situation that they are already going through

it reminded me of lahaina, maui and front street. there is a ton of devastation and a countless leveled homes along that area. we had another major brush fire, the hurst fire that was in sylmar, kind of the north part of l.a. 2000 acres, 0% contained. there was another fire called the easton fire that had two deaths already, and that just started today. so again, there's significant issues going on throughout the area. but what we have done is we've requested to have additional resources from automatic aid. so nearby fire stations have come in to help. we've called in for more assistance from the state, and we're given everything we can right now. >> i mean, your resources were already stretched. i know other states are helping. we heard that from the governor earlier, but. but now, with another fire on on your watch. i mean, what does this look like over the next few hours? and are you worried that more fires are going to start in the next few hours? >> this is going to be extremely challenging for the next few hours. last night was

it's so reminiscent for me of lahaina, the fire there and then paradise, the deadliest in california, the most expensive. this one will likely surpass that just in terms of numbers. but right now it's about human lives and and stress and children and the elderly just trying to make sense of this and knowing what's coming tomorrow. >> this is a once in a lifetime kind of devastation unfolding right now in california. bill weir stay close and stay safe. thank you very much. as the wildfires rage on, the president elect is choosing to play the blame game. trump is attacking president biden, governor gavin newsom for these fires. listen to what he said. >> i've been trying to get gavin newsom to allow water to come in. you'd have tremendous water up there. they send it out to the pacific because they're trying to protect a tiny little fish, which is in other areas. by the way, called the smelt. and for the sake of a smelt, they have no water. they had no water in the fire hydrants today in los angeles. it was a terrible thing. this is a true tragedy. and it's a mistake of the governor. an

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but let's not forget lahaina and the fires in hawaii just a couple years ago.res took out whole neighborhoods in colorado not long ago. and those are just the fires. it was just months ago that the southeast was dealing with hurricanes helene and milton. and all of these disasters are exactly what scientists have warned are going to get more extreme as the planet keeps warming, as temperatures keep rising, and as the atmosphere holds more moisture. >> coming up, a look at some of the other stories making headlines, including a possible front runner to replace senator marco rubio in florida. morning marco rubio in florida. morning joe is back in just a moment. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! the same towers as big wireless. so you get the same coverage. >> wow. >> wow. >> for unlimited talk and ♪♪ businesses need shipping software that keeps up with their growth. with shipstat

we saw it happen in maui with lahaina, where that whole city disappeared in a matter of minutes or hoursthey know this is possible. the brush conditions, the wind conditions here are identical to what we've seen in other devastating fires. yet when they talk about pre-positioning assets, you can't just pre-position assets. you have to have the right assets and the right quantity of assets. 1 or 2 planes is inadequate. you need a dozen planes or more. you need a whole fleet of helicopters, and you need thousands of firefighters on the ground ready to go at a moment's notice. what happened in this case? they had dozens of firefighters here or there, hundreds of firefighters here or there. things were in disarray. they couldn't even make it up the mountain because they didn't have an evacuation plan for all those people in the palisades who had only one way to escape. and that's when all the cars got, you know, bundled together, abandoned, and had to be bulldozed out of the way. that delayed the fire department response. and that should never have happened had they actually come up with a p