that was supported some by the courts. >> what was mel laird's issue? >> mel was just very angry about the whole thing because he thought it reflected on him and the department and he wanted to go get them. >> someone in the pentagon later concluded that most of his material was not really of great sensitivity. >> yeah. >> what was the strategy for dealing with leaking? >> well, the person who was most sensitive about it was henry. then the president would get angry and he would share little thing on news notes, write a note on the side to me, why don't you stop talking to these people or just stop talking to them. i took the attitude that i'm independent, i talk to anybody. i never stop talking to any reporter because i was ordered to. i always found with the president that sometimes he would say things to me which might have been harsh and if i just ignored him a couple days, why, he would say you didn't do that, i would say, no, i didn't, he'd say, that's fine. think part of the problem that occurred with people like colston, he would take a harsh st

laird is by the servicers and trusties, the entities that specialize in tearful services and foreclosuresçyou asked earlier, is this jut a matter of the volume of foreclosures? it is also a matter of the bottom of originations. the production machine was running at 126% of capacity. they were having some problems documented and archiving documents. when things turn bad andç the have to recreate that chain of title and you have to lookç at the documentation around the assignments, who owns the loan, some of the documents were missing or was not prepared. çit does not mean the sale did notç happen, but there is no evidence of it. >> are we talking about criminal problems, or are we just talking about other problems flowing over -- >> sometimes there is no çdistinction. if you have intent to compromise the integrity of the public system, that is criminal. >> [inaudible] >> that is an excellent question. that is one question i asked as we were going through this. are these minor violations, is this is sort of jaywalking, or is this much more serious? i think what you see is a series of

the part i know is that we decide on mel layered, mel laird conferred with me a lot who he should have on his staff. i looked at it as the most difficult department we had to run. he wound up appointing someone who was a friend of mine and his as the -- for the public affairs officers and i told him that the -- because he was unskilled in pentagon language he would get cut up by them and he should retain the democrat for six months or a year, and that was jerry freedeim. >> i'm going to jump around because we don't have much time and there is a number of issues we really should cover. want to start with one you raised. tell us about the public affairs side of the space program. you said you had some -- about the moon landing. >> oh. dick was very, very interested in the whole space thing. he let agnew be the contact with it but he had an interest in it. the day we landed on the moon i was with dhosh w-- who was the astronaut? >> neil armstrong. >> no. >> you mean the very first one. the very first one was allan shepherd. >> allan shepherd. allan shepherd. allan shepherd and i were watc

but bill rogers wasn't able to cope with the ability to wield power that mel laird could do or henry kissinger could do. they were -- they knew how to move things around in a tougher way. bill is just a very nice guy, a very smart guy and a very honest guy. >> fast forward a bit. did you see president nixon after he resigned -- how long after he resigned did you see president nixon? >> well, i saw him frequently afterward. i don't know how often. the first call i had after san clemente, before he left, the smoking gun tape had him talking to colson about me in which he said between he and colson said he is not our kind of guy, he's got egg on his face. those were the kind of quotes. and i was playing golf with some friends and i got a call from a reporter who said you better get back to your office and see what's been said. the way i treated it was, we're friend and i've sure heard a lot of things said in a locker room which people don't really mean so i dismissed it that way. but it bothered me some and about the fourth day he got back he called me on the phone, said i want to talk

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here's one in the cabinet room, and you can see president nixon there in the middle with mel laird on one side and william rogers, the secretary of state, on the other. remember when you took this? >> guest: that was done probably in december of--november or december of 1970. nixon had the--the reputation in the press for not using his cabinet the way others did. he was relying a lot on his aides, they said. and it was very important for me, when i knew there a cabinet meeting, that i photograph a cabinet meeting so that i could show that he did, in fact, use his cabinet. c-span: when we pull back on this, you can see, as we went in close on the shot, daniel patrick moynihan sitting at the table. >> guest: a young patrick moynihan. he was in the president's cabinet, and though a liberal democrat, it just showed the range that--that nixon used to get the members of his cabinet and their different political beliefs. c-span: do you know these people personally? >> guest: no. i n--knew one or two of them very casually. but i got to know some of the aides to the president while doing the b

and here now with his tips on how to make your party scores big is tim laird, america's chief entertainingr of the book "that is entertaining." good, as always, tim, to have you back. and the reason we love you here on "world news now," because you bring an incredible spread every time. and with the super bowl around the corner it is game time, my friend. >> it is game time. >> giants and pats. >> i am so excited about this. it's going to be a great game. and i tell you what, what we know about super bowl -- or big game parties is everybody likes to eat before, during, and after the game. >> bring on the grub. >> so the whole thing is you want to put a lot of field of food out there for all your guests and you want them to make it self-service so you can don't have to miss any of the action. >> that's right. you want to be on the couch watching the game like a true sports fan. >> you bet. >> and what i enjoy, a little cocktail while you're watching too. >> let's show our team spirits. i'll show you how to do this. my first cocktail is the pats punch. >> okay. >> starts out -- when i think

. >> melvin laird, secretary of defense when i was there. >> a few years ago. the defense secretary saying this now about israel this spring. what about the timing and why would he say it that specifically? >> well, i think we want to do everything we can to keep iran off balance, number one. we also want them to know that we know a lot about what they are doing. so i think this is -- it's not surprising to hear this. >> the question has always been how much consultation would take place if israel made a decision to go. >> the interesting thing is, the white house doesn't know the answer to that. i mean, the questions from the national security council on out are do we get a day's notice, do we get a week's notice or two hours' notice. i think the latter scenario, a couple of hours is most likely. because israel is not going to want to put itself in the position of having the u.s. have a lot of time to weigh in and gather any pressure once they know. i think it will be pretty fast. >> don't you think, john, that the united states wants iran to know that we can'