skip laitner, i'm the director of economic policy for an energy efficient economy and we do focus on that critical link between energy productivity and a robust economy and we're finding that scale is the critical issue but the conundrum is we have inexpensive energy, relatively speaking. since 1970, our economy has worked to a great extent and we've been able to bring down the amount of energy we've used per dollar of economic activity by over half. that's been a phenomenal accomplishment. in other words, since 1972 today, energy efficiency has provided about 3/4 of all new energy-related demands for goods and services, new supply, only about 25%. but we still have essentially a supply side focus, although productivity has been the sleeper. it's been the invisible resource an we have to somehow bring that forward, and it is that incredible productivity gain that has enabled the cost to decline, and that's been an underpinning of our economy and the suggestion of evidence coming forward now, unless we achieve a scale, unless we move to about double the historical rate of efficiency i