between the laity and the preachers? >> the laity and the preachers. i think that the evangelical community is splintering now in a way that it hasn't in a long time. >> rose: into? into various parts. >> rose: the division between economical issues or natural issues versus cultural issues. >> yes, i think that's one of them. the other is sort of a generational change between the christian right as we used to know it under jerry falwell and pat robertson, and a much more socially engauged group of young people who -- for whom social justice issues are just as important as what they call below the belt issues. >> rose: so when did the evangelical movement get political? when did policy become -- politics become a component of their -- >> you know, i think it's always been political. >> rose: yeah. i mean, for example, political in the large sense. just after the second great awakening, evangelicals were responsible for some of the -- or in fact almost all of the reform movements in this country ranging from the criminal justice system to care for the in

there was a difference between the laity and the creatures.nk the evangelical community is splintering now. charlie: into? frances: various parts. charlie: economic issues and national issues versus cultural issues? frances: that is one of them. another is a generational change. at the christian right as we used to know it under jerry falwell and pat robertson -- a much more socially engaged group of young people for whom social justice issues are just as important as what they call -- charlie: when did the evangelical movement to become political? winded politics become a component? frances: i think it has always been political. for example, political in the larger sense, they were responsible for almost all of the reform movements in this country ranging from the criminal justice system to care for the indigent and the poor. to the public school system that they essentially created. in the civil war, they divide between the evangelicals in the north and the south over slavery. there is a conservative divide in the north. the fundamentalist a