. >> lake caroline. can you put that in? >> thank you for joining us. not plowshare. >> coming up next, booktv presents "after words," an hour-long program buried by guest hosts to interview authors. this week, jay bahadur and his first vote, "the pirates of somalia." in it, bahadur exposes hayseed hijackers, some of whom made news with a cargo ship in 2009 and later the murderer for retirees who are sailing around the world. mr. bahadur exposes how it made its way and what he believes can be done to stop them. he talks with clifford may, president of the foundation for defense of democracy. >> host: jay, let me start with you. if i understand correctly, you're 27 years old, from toronto, you are doing marketing research and you decided i want to get into journalism. we decided to do is go to somalia, research pirates and write a book about it. >> guest: yeah, used to tell people would ask for four years old i wanted to be a reporter and then i forgot about it for a number of years. and when i was at the university i came around to that way of thinking.