i want her name to become one of those sort of household names, like a frederick douglass, lake harriet tubman because she rubbed away decade before they do. sew so the title -- a quick story about the titling "never caught." this is one motor vehicle first -- one of my first choices for the title of of the book ann the perfected hated it. they said gives away the story, erica. i said, yeah, but so does "12 yours a slave." only, we understand, it was 12 years, going to end at some point. with "never caught" this is a history of how a woman who was a fugitive, never found freedom. she was never free. she simply was never caught. and i think there's a distinction and one that it wanted to make, especially as i was trying to kind of dismantle what we think about slavery in the south and the north at this moment where the nation is new. and i think that's one of the other things that was really trying to do with this book, was to allow us to see what the early days of this new country looked like through the eyes of the enslaved. >> you watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> booktv

i want her name to become one of those sort of household names, like a frederick douglass, lake harriet tubman because she rubbed away decade before they do. sew so the title -- a quick story about the titling "never caught." this is one motor vehicle first -- one of my first choices for the title of of the book ann the perfected hated it. they said gives away the story, erica. i said, yeah, but so does "12 yours a slave." only, we understand, it was 12 years, going to end at some point. with "never caught" this is a history of how a woman who was a fugitive, never found freedom. she was never free. she simply was never caught. and i think there's a distinction and one that it wanted to make, especially as i was trying to kind of dismantle what we think about slavery in the south and the north at this moment where the nation is new. and i think that's one of the other things that was really trying to do with this book, was to allow us to see what the early days of this new country looked like through the eyes of the enslaved. >> you watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> booktv