and my own experience was in bolivia, actually, in lake titikaka, in 3:00 in the morning. >> there really is a lake with that name? >> hinojosa: yes. >> thank you for confirming that. >> hinojosa: the highest lake in the world. went out, 3:00 in the morning, and i saw the sky. >> it's not higher than crater lake? >> hinojosa: oh, don't get me... oh, we're not going to do geography now. >> okay, no, i thought crater lake was pretty high, but go on. >> hinojosa: but as far as i know... >> maybe crater is the deepest lake, okay. >> hinojosa: saw all of the stars, and i thought, "oh, my god, there's dialogue. there is dialogue coming down from these stars." >> was that your first time seeing the night sky? >> hinojosa: no, it was my... and this was in my 20s. it was my first time understanding that the stars communicated an entire world. >> a universe. >> hinojosa: and that... a universe, you know? an entire universe. but you like to say the fact that you are an urbanist, and you said that when you go out and you see a big beautiful sky and the mountaintop you're like, "oh, yeah, this reminds