were any of those meetings run by miss lambro? >> i do not think it was 29 times. >> you testified between 10 and 25. whatever those numbers, or any of those run by jean lambro or nancye >> one was run by and just a couple i tended was with jean. rolementioned before, my was to provide a five-minute status on hub development. >> i am not worried so much about your role. i just want to establish the fact you are at the white house between 10 and 29 times. mr. park was there nine times. how many times were you in these weekly meetings at the white house? >> i do not recall. i did not attend many weekly meetings. i have been in the company of those two people. >> regarding the affordable care act? >> maybe once or twice. >> ok. my time is expired. those are the individuals that need to come in front of this committee and we cannot accept the fact we got it will letter from the white house that says, thank you but we are not coming. >> i would note for all members there is a vote on the floor and we will go until the very last minute.

carlo and lambro to come in front of this committee. these are the people we need. they are the ones who determined that october 1 with the date that they would move on. they are the ones who are responsible for putting americans at risk. >> they're all these questions that you seemed to want to give an answer to on end to end testing. >> i would reiterate the point that the security testing is done early on and complete system. complete system. >> thank you. mr. davis. >> thank you. there's been a lot of information over the past several weeks regarding the security of healthcare.gov and other consumers who use the system. i would like to hear from the witnesses about this matter and separate fact from fiction. mr. chao, the federal information security act requires agencies to protect systems. agency to sign up before operating a system. in the case of healthcare.gov, signed onmemo september 27. federaltitled, marketplace. to make sure that the -- it says that the security controls have not been tested on one complete version of the system. it also says that that