and then union pacific, now i had -- >> we'll be talking to lance fritz in a little bit. >> i had lanceyou have him on and i don't. like andrew sorkin -- >> it's not like that because we're on the same show. >> the braves and red sox. >> this is important i had lance fritz on recently, sorry to slouch, on "mad money." >> moving it along. >> at the conclusion i said could you please be more bullish, give me more, give me more he did he delivered and i think it's really important to know that lance fritz, when pushes comes to shove is the delivery man. >> real quickly what do you have on mad tonight >> i have no idea. >> good. >> i'm kidding i have whirlpoole ceo -- >> it was a joke. >> oh. >> i have vlad tenev, mark bitzer, there's no "squid game" coming down. but ynon has turned the company around it's a show and a half as my friend ed sullivan said. >> all right it's okay. >> vlad, do you know how hard it was to get vlad tenev. >> coming up ahead of newcorp and union pacific. >> important number is distorted by intercompany switch, ask about the cash flow, best ever >> got it. >> i got

going in i was looking at this astounded at the union pacific upgrade by jpmorgan, having just had lance fritzi was coaching him to be more bullish, and he was saying there had be a cessation of problems in the ports and basically saying, you know what? it's times, starting to show signs of improvement are you skeptical? >> yes, i'm skeptical as i wrote in what i'm looking at most ceos, if you give them any opportunity to say good things, say it i was so depressed after it, i noted it and put it in my memo this morning. >> though he is -- i don't mean to indicate that some ceos are not, but lance is more of a straight shooter, so to speak? >> he is he's not a cheerleader. >> no. >> and i was clearleading, and he said, jim, you're a little too ahead of yourself. i respect that so much lance has said at times, listen, things are humming he did not give me a things are humming. not at all they also like norfolk southern. you would think they would benefit from the incredible attempt to get more -- but you can't turn the coal switch on. >> no, no. >> it didn't work like that. coal is in decline, d