out well for you both thank you so much and the you for having me legs tens of time with our panel lani chen joins me from stanford he's a research fellow at stanford's hoover institution he served in the george w. bush administration was also an adviser to the presidential campaigns of marco rubio and mitt romney and in washington democratic strategist julian epstein he said his chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee and is a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee he's. gentleman thank you for being with us what's your takeaway from the government shutdown lanny what do you what do you see the result. well you know larry we're stuck in this really unfortunate cycle of lurching from continuing resolution to continuing resolution without any real long term. solution insight i think unfortunately in this particular situation a little bit a pox on both their houses type feeling i think for many americans for the democrats i think the challenge was it's not entirely clear what they got out of the two days of the shutdown they got some assurances m

out well for you both thank you so much in the year for having me legs tens of time with our panel lani chen joins me from stanford he's a research fellow at stanford's hoover institution he served in the george w. bush administration was also an adviser to the presidential campaigns of marco rubio and mitt romney and in washington democratic strategist julian epstein he said just chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee and is a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee us. gentlemen thank you for being with us what's your takeaway from the government shutdown lanny what do you what do you see the result. well you know larry we're stuck in this really unfortunate cycle of lurching from continuing resolution to continuing resolution without any real long term. solution inside i think unfortunately in this particular situation a little bit a pox on both their houses type feeling i think for many americans for the democrats i think the challenge was it's not entirely clear what they got out of the two days of the shutdown they got some assurances may