their we got taught about a 4th cause of the engineering order ground 0 am similarly lanigan me into a kitty in the bay area the way i see that you know the sick or in the left there is the so dark. but it's. not. a question if you have taken you go to the table get all of your talk do it. right here i believe from the very beginning that this torture program was wrong now inside the cia they were telling us it was working so i thought at the time there were 2 separate questions here number one does it work in that are you collecting good information they were telling us yes they were that was a lie the other question was is it moral or legal or ethical and to me the answer was clearly no it was not moral and legal and ethical but i kept my mouth shut for a long time. and then finally in december of 2007. i just couldn't be silent any more and so finally i i went on a television news show and i said it i said 3 things i said the cia was torturing its prisoners they said that torture was official us government policy and i said the policy had been personally approved by the president.