holder testified to in terms of what lanny brewer saw before he signed off on these wire tap applications i think first off there's no indication that mr. brewer or my former deputy were aware of the fact ticks that were employed in this matter until everybody i think became aware of them, which is like january, february, of last year. the information -- i'm not at all -- i'm not at this point aware -- any of the tactics were contained in the wire tap applications. megyn: then issa says the wire tap applications which doj refused to provide issa show immense details about investigative tactics and he believes he's been directly misled and how does doj defend itself? is it going to say we just saw summary? >> first of all i agree, summaries ought to be retprebgt dollars in the actual applicables. consider what would have happened in the national security con flex -- context, post 9/11, if a senior doj official says we approved a bunch of things but the summaries were so generic in the context of our wire taps, that they don't tell us anything. it would have an human crime. but i don't know

my concern is that the people who did ultimately -- if you look at february 4, you look at lanny brewer and what he was doing, the very day that we're sent, this totally false letter, he's in mexico advocating for gun walking, and he's still the senior most person in this administration in charge of the criminal division. there has not been the accountability that president obama promised when he did his march 2011 interview with euna vision. contrast that with what happened at the secret service, within days they had taken care of this. and here we are in june of 2012? he didn't want this to be an election year deal, this should have been disposed of in early 2011 and because it has not, we are here today and we're still spending money and we are going to followthrough with brian terry's family and get to the bottom of this. so please, if you have questions about mr. melson's point of view in a bipartisan way, the staff interviewed him, it's transcrib transcribed, there's a lot of information, it should not slow down our efforts here today. yield back mr. dharm. -- [ inaudible ] >> the

july, august, and september of 2010 with lanny brewer's approval on them. so for him to say that and for attorney general eric holder to say that his assistant attorney general didn't know about gun walking tactics up to that point is a lie. >> i don't know that it's a lie. the question should be put to mr. brewer. i mean, you and i have experience in this. we asked the principle. you, mr. brewer, -- did you receive this email? what did you. >> laura: john, it pains me -- you are a smart guy. what i know about you. >> and you are a smart lady. >> laura: knowing what i know about you. if you were running the justice department. if you were attorney general and this happened starting in the fall of 2009, under your watch, this happened, i would be lived. i would find out who authorized it i agree with that. by now he should know something, right? >> i agree with that if i was the attorney general, i would have now -- whether i saw them or not, i would have reviewed all the applications and all the reports and i would have had everybody in the carpet in my off

it. >> lanny brewer needs to answer further about what he knew and when he knew it. >> lanny brewer,of the criminal division, i don't think he was candid and forthright. >> it was overseen by the public integrity's section. and matthew, who worked with him, notes the unit has secured more than 160 guilty pleas or trial convictions since 2009. >> i don't think anyone at the department is ever happy when a case doesn't end up the way that you want it to. but at the end of the day, you have to look at the entire record. the criminal division wins the vast majority of the cases they bring. >> brewer has said public corruption cases are, quote, among of the most difficult because the stakes are always high and they often attract great scrutiny. he declined to be interviewed for this report. brett. >> thank you. a florida man charged with killing an unarmed african-american teenager is headed back to jail tonight. judge revoked the won of george zimmerman. he's accused of second degree murder in the death of trayvon martin. zimmerman said it was self-defense. the judge said he misled the j

lanny brewer is in fact the head of, if you will, the criminal division probably considered to be numberd ultimately is responsible for all of these criminal investigations, including the wiretaps, and the people that work for him obviously all the way up the chain. this is one of the big questions we have, not just on behalf of brian terry's family, but also on behalf of the american people, aren't there supposed to be protections in the wiretap process. aren't there supposed to be checks and balances against rogue operations. they would like you to believe this was a rogue operation but then the checks and balances didn't work and the people responsible for them not working still are on the job and they're political appointees in many cases. >> that's the thing. political appointees. that's just where i wanted to go because it sounds like up to now, before you secured this new information, they were trying to protect the political appointees, push it down or push it away. i don't see how they can do that anymore. haven't you in effect broken this thing wide open in terms of, what, assi

i knew that lanny brewer knew before the retraction. >> the head of the crim nam division. lanny said that to me. he thought it was a good idea and badly executed. and having said that. we are in fact trying to get to the truth when we were told a lie and that's what contempt is about. it is about the cover up. >> we'll get back to that in a moment. congressman cummings i -- you can respond. >> i plan to. >> chris: good. fast and furous as congressman issa points out is not just another washington scandal. someone was killed here. briantery a border patrol agent with some of the guns used here and this is what terry's parents had to say. >> it is something they don't want us to know and something to hide. >> i think they are hiding manage. they are either lying or hiding. >> a year ago congressman cummings you told the terry, the parents this. >> we will not rest until every single person responsible for all of this no matter where they are, are brought to justice. >> congressman cummings, can you honestly say you kept that promise? >> i have kept that promise and i will kee

it could be lanny brewer. why would you suggest lanny brewer. >> his fingerprints are all over fast and furious and gun walking. a letter was sent to chuck grassley that was demonstrably false and later withdrawn. do you know where lanny brewer was? he was in mexico advocating for the tac tactic of gun walking. you cannot deny the tactic and be advocating for it on exactly the same day, that's where lanny brewer was. bill: what was his title. >> the criminal chief for the department of justice. it does not get any higher than that. he's the criminal boss. bill: karl rove says this is a distraction. his theory is that they want to distract the american people away from the issues of the economy. >> i think people know the economy is bad, they want government to be accountable. i don't think you have to choose between the two. bill: there is a vote next week in the floor of the house. >> yes, sir. bill: you could probably bet right now that republicans will vote for it, democrats will vote against it, same as th

of lanny brewer signed and approved multiple drafts of the letter that was signed by the deputy attorney general. i might have the title wrong but essentially is working for the justice department. the letter said flat out these allegations that we are done walking into mexico are not true. the officials don't know anything about this. the letter was sent to congress in february 2011. since then the letter had to be withdrawn from the record because it was full of false is which is something that rarely ever happens of these high level officials in the wider applications shown or signing off on these things and see all the documentation that they did know about these things and every step of the way they've been saying no one at a high level has been involved in this and about a year ago the former atf acting director who is also been transferred to another position says the reason they are stonewalling and denying all of this is that they're trying to push the pressure away from the political appointees within the justice department. >> host: the timing of the approvals march from april

i know that lanny brewer knew well before the retraction. >> chris: who is the head of the criminal division. >> because he has said that to me that he thought this was a good idea but badly executed. having said that, we in fact are simply trying to get to the truth when we were told a lie and that is what the contempt is about. it is about the cover up. >> chris: okay. and we will get back to that in a moment. congressman cummings, if i may, and you can respond to him as well if you want in your answ r answer. >> i certainly -- i plan to. >> chris: okay, good. fast and furious as congressman issa points out is not just another washington scandal. someone was killed here. brian terry a border patrol agent with some of the guns u e used here and this week here is what terry's parent parent had. >> there is something that they don't want us to know and there is something to hide. >> i think they are hiding something. i think they are liying and h hiding it. >> chris: a year ago, congres congressman cummings, you told the terries, the parents this. >> we will not rest until every single person

in this case, lanny brewer from the beginning of the scandal said he wasn't aware of the questionablemeans gun walk into mexico that were used during fast and furious while these wiretap applications prove otherwise and he was actually approving these tactics and allowing the guns to go into mexico. jon: hasn't the wiretap information be sealed by a federal judge? >> it has been sealed by a federal judge, by law that's the way it goes. however, it comes down to the discrepancies between the documentation that we have and the testimony that assistant attorney general lanny brewer, and in fact his boss, attorney general eric holder have pweuf given under oath to congress. lanny brewer approved multiple drafts of letters saying there was no way we were tracking guns into mexico. the senior doj officials didn't know about this program until a news report broke that brian terry was killed as a result of this program, yet the wire staps showiretaps show the opposite. it really comes down to what they have been saying throughout this investigation and the evidence that proves otherwise. jon:

documentation shows exactly the opposite of what the assistant attorney general lanny brewer said under oath in front of congress so perjury is one of. the they're looking at roger clemens for -- >> host: thinking about retrying him a second time. >> guest: so we take the two cases and the difference is these guys worked for the government and roger clemens is a public person, but he is not a government official. and so it comes down to, who is above the law sneer so -- law here? and i think perjury and also on obstruction of justice charges. >> host: do you think what has happened so far constitutes from your vantage point a wilful coverup? >> guest: absolutely. from day one. >> host: no other explanation from your vantage point. >> guest: no. no. >> host: not misremembering things north being poorly briefed. >> guest: no. >> host: being less than forthcoming because you don't possess enough information? those are all standard and ritualistically invoked excuses within the government for communications and miscommunications. from your vantage point, none of that. >> guest: no. >> host:

been walked, not with standing the effort is made in multiple meetings that go all the way up to lanny brewer to continue this kind of operation, with knowledge, in the record that says gun walking, so i think we can spend a lot of time going down a path in which the fact of the matter is, in the end, we're going to get that there was a distinction, in many ways an irrelevant distinction, what is at relevance right now is the conduct that took place at the oversight of the highest levels of the justice department in which we have information clearly that there were decisions that were being made which were influenced by directions from this current justice department, not the other one, for those reasons, i do believe, and began, nobody says it better than the attorney general, he himself has called back the allegation that it was, you know, that he had been briefed on the misguided tactics and said, you know, it was controlled deliveries. it's a subtle distinction, but a very important one. >> thank you, the question now occurs on agreeing to the amendment offered by the gentleman from vice

congress writes a statute requiring certain individuals be responsible such as jason weinstein, lanny brewer and yourself -- >> regular order, mr. chairman. >> regular order, mr. chairman. >> the attorney general will be able to answer the question. >> he hasn't asked the question. >> i'm halfway through it if you quit interrupting. if in fact if the statute says they're responsible and if in fact they're not read -- >> regular order. >> -- how are the american people to understand -- >> regular order. >> -- who's responsible for what is contained in these -- >> the attorney general will be allowed to answer this question. >> be, in fact -- because anyone of ordinary reading, including the atf director, former director, nelson, anyone reading these, according to him, would have to be sick to their stomach because they'd be immediately aware -- >> do you have a question, mr. chairman? >> so who is responsible, mr. attorney general? >> all right. you really conflated a bunch of things. the responsibility -- >> you delivered so little -- >> regular order, now, mr. chairman, will he be allowed t

general holder, both the criminal division head lanny brewer and his deputy jason weinstein had knowledge that they let guns walk and most all were recovered in mexico in connection to the fast and furious scandal. when they reviewed the letter that falsely denied the aftf knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who transported them to mexico, do you think it is a serious offense for an individual to mislead the congress? >> well, first, with regard to the question, i think you've got it a little off there. the two individuals you talk about, mr. weinstein, mr. brewer did not know about the tactics used in the fast and furious until the beginning of last year. >> but they did acknowledge, "atf let a bunch of guns walk." and "some were recovered in mexico." >> that was in connection with, i believe, with operation wide receiver. >> correct. correct. but they did not acknowledge that in their communication with the congress. so my question to you is do you think it's a serious offense for an individual to mislead the congress about what they know about what's goin

congress writes a statute requiring certain individuals be responsible such as justin weinstein, lanni brewer and yourself -- >> regular order. >> i'm in the middle of a question. >> the attorney general will be able answer the question. >> it says they are responsible and if in fact they are not read then in fact -- >> how are the american people to understand -- >> regular order. >> responsible for what is contained in these documents. >> the attorney general will be allowed to answer these questions. >> does anyone including the atf former director anyone reading these according to him would have to be sick to their stomach because they would be aware -- >> do you have a question, mr. chairman? >> who is responsible, mr. attorney general? >> all right. you conflated a bunch of things here. the responsibility. >> you've delivered so little. >> regular order now, mr. chairman. will he be allowed to tans question. >> the attorney general can answer the question. >> the responsibility about which you speak is in fact the responsibility of a deputy assistant attorney general to make sure there'

general holder, both the criminal division head, lanny brewer, and his deputy, jason weinstein, had knowledge that the atf let a bunch of guns walk and some were recovered in mexico. all related to the fast and furious scandal. in a prior operation, when they reviewed the february 4th, 2011, letter that falsely denied that they knowingly allowed the sale of the weapons to a straw purchaser who transported them to mexico, do you think it's a serious offense for an individual to mislead the congress? >> first with regard to the question, i think you got it a little off there. the two individuals you talk about, mr. weinstein, mr. brewer, did not know about the tactics used in fast and furious until the beginning of last y r year. >> they did acknowledge, quote, atf let a bunch of guns walk, and quote, some were recovered in mexico, end quote. >> that was in connection i believe with operation wide receiver. >> correct. >> that occurred in the prior administration. >> correct. they did not acknowledge that in their communication with the congress. so my question to you, do you think it's a serio

tap applications contradict the statements by the attorney generals assistant attorney general lanny brewer weinstein as they were unaware of the controversial pack he and operations had. they wion't comment about what s in the wire tap association. >> doug lousader live thank you. >> it is time to get the first degree weather update to see what the battle looks like. unions this morning. >> good morning. we are going to be seeing a lot of activity across the lower 40s especially across portions of the northeast and also down into the southeast. we had some of it across up state new york. we could see hit or miss showers in new york city. not a big deal. not going to be rain during the day. not anticipating too much through out the entire day. 4e6yer downpours across carolinas down into floor dall. we will continue to see that through out the day. they are producing rain higher elevation snow and a lot of wind will finally begin to wind down. goodies for us acoulds part of the country. we will be seeing some strong storms firing up across parts of colorado. they could produce severe weather

. >> john: were you surprised that issa offered to drop the contempt charges if lanny brewer resignedu create as much anger and set expectations as high as issa has and then cannot deliver, that's what happened to issa, you need a way out. he needed a scalp as his way out, and if not, contempt. that's what he's doing. >> john: thank you so much, and keep your ex-bosses' hand's off my guns please.

have no evidence nor currently do we have strong suspicions we have a number of people including lanny brewer have known, who's responsibility was to know that is part of our ongoing, figure out who is responsible, and where the wheels fell off of the cart. >> so they not nothing! here is the reaction. >> today's vote is the regrettable culmination of what became a misguided and politically motivated investigation during an election year. congressman issa and others have focused on politics over public safety. >> all right. now let's bring in someone who walked out. we have representative steve cohen who was one of the democrats to walk out. and michale hastings will join us as well. kongman cohen let me start with you. talk about the walkout. why did you take part in it? who organized it? why do you feel so strongly about it? >> it was the congressional black caucus that started it, and it grew to the congressional caucus as well. and then it was the whole democratic caucus. i voted no. several people voted no. a few people voted aye on the democrat side, and then we walk out. i just went ah

lannie brewer made it clear.t in the field agents from out west, put them inside the circumstancele in the beltway to protect them. they are looking for a way to keep it going and of skate it and get it -- offic off skate i. >> how long since brian terry killed? >> year-and-a-half. >> i represent clients that has take an couple of years and the discoveries may be this tall. we're talking about investigations of thousands and thousands of documents. >> they have purposefully redacted and refused to handover to congress that is doing their job. the house government reform and oversight committee. >> maybe there is a reason for confidentiality and protecting people. >> wait a minute. >> executive privilege. >> the president can't exert executive privilege. other presidents have done it. in this case it does not apply to what the subpoena is for. holder has no protection on this. >> sean: we have solyndra, we have the leak of "what we are doing with our military" and operations with israel and two the president is pi

privy to and meeting they sat in on and jason weinstein, a deputy assistant attorney general, lanny brewer who of course is an assistant attorney general. that these are folks who really should have known it was taking place. >> well, it is hard to say if they should have known, they were never told it happened and, there was no reason to think it was happening. these are illegitimate management law enforcement tactics that never should have been put into play and, i think what is important is as soon as the senior officials found out they were happening, they stond them. >> rick: was the attorney general angry? here, we had a federal agent who was killed. what was his sort of gut reaction to that news? >> he was upset. i said shocked before and that was the best way to describe it and he moved quickly from being shocked and upset at what happened to figuring out what to do about it. >> rick: did he fire anybody. >> there were two officials in their positions, the head of the atv and the u.s. attorney in arizona, at the time, who are no longer in them and one was reassigned and one resigne

if he has nothing to hide hide issa reviewed these wiretap affidavits and found out that lanny brewer one of the top officials at the justice department actually did sign off on the gun walking tactics. >> right. >> laura: in contradiction to what eric holder had said before. that's a serious contradiction, is it not. >> he again invoked the letter. i think, again, this is government questions in d.c. it isn't always handled smoothly. >> laura: what would you grade holder? what kind of a grade would you give him. >> i would not dare grade anyone in washington. no matter what people want to say about him or not. >> laura: you are from texas. i don't believe th gets a good grade. >> god bless their heart. >> laura: we will see how this all plays out. coming up, marjorie. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening, another sign that americans may be moving away from religion as a new poll shows the majority would vote for an atheist president. then an illegal alien steps into the no spin zone and reacts to the supreme court decision on immigration today. so we hope you stay

you have the same people, like lanny brewer and jason weinstein and these people that are still in positions of power. they know -- even the department of justice said that the operation was fundamentally flawed. yet, you have the same people in place. as my colleague says, they don't have a frowny face on their performance evaluations, for goodness sake. so what are they doing? they are not taking responsibility. congress has to stand up for itself. >> greta: we will watch to see what you do at the hearing when the attorney general shows up. congressman, thank you. >> thank, greta. >> greta: tomorrow night -- tomorrow, house oversight chair darrell issa will be here to go on the record that. will be hours after attorney general holder has testified in front of the house judiciary committee. it's getting worse, new emails from a gsa official just surfaced. someone could be in big trouble. ] ...allstate. really? i was afraid you'd have some cut-rate policy. [ normal vce ] nope, i've got... [ voice of dennis ] the allstate value plan. it's their most affordable car insurance -- and you still g

you have the same people, like lanny brewer and jason weinstein and these people that are still in positionsf power. they know -- even the department of justice said that the operation was fundamentally flawed. yet, you have the same people in place. as my colleague says, they don't have a frowny face on their performance evaluations, for goodness sake. so what are they doing? they are not taking responsibility. congress has to stand up for itself. >> greta: we will watch to see what you do at the hearing when the attorney general shows up. congressman, thank you. >> thank, greta. >> greta: tomorrow night -- tomorrow, house oversight chair darrell issa will be here to go on the record that. will be hours after attorney general holder has testified in front of the house judiciary committee. it's getting worse, new emails from a gsa official just as a culinary manager i make sure our guests have an over the top experience. being hands ons key! i make sure every plate looks just right. [ male announcer ] don't miss red lobster's four course seafood feast, just $14.99. sta with soup, salad and u

the scalp they wanted was assistant attorney general lanny brewer.taffer for committee chairman told them to get rid of breuer in exchange for passing a contempt vote. the justice department didn't play along. they deny the request for breuer's firing, but just a few months ago, darryl issa said heads should roll in the dusts department. he told the comity, i do believe there are people at main justice who ultimately do need to go. meanwhile, the right wing is now using the family of slain border guard brian terry as political pawns. they put him on a show last night and republican lawmakers are showing up on fox accusing the administration of withholding the truth. >> the bottom line is this, there's an agent dead. >> that's right. >> his family wants the truth. this administration said no. that's wrong. >> republicans still say they haven't been told the truth. so let's help them get to the bottom of it tonight. i'm joined tonight by matthew miller, former aide to attorney general eric holder. mr. miller, good to have you with us tonight. one of th