do you think that because eric holder and lanny brewer were thinking of going back to covington, who are making a lot of money now. >> yeah. >> cohan: of course, eric holder famously has been hired by uber to examine the culture there and released his whatever it is, 13 pages of findings, and that's to the public. the rest of it has not been made public. i mean, how much do you think this revolving door, which is a big issue, we saw with robert kuzami who was the head of enforcement at the s.e.c. during all this and he did not prosecutor any individuals, as far as i can tell, and now he's gone back to a high-paying law firm -- wall street law firm. is this the culprit? >> they all do. they all do. >> cohan: exactly. do you think they're thinking if we prosecute we're not going to get those job offers? >> simply put, yes. they're thinking about their future job opportunities. >> what does that say about our justice system? >> it says it's corrupt and unjust and it says it's broken. we have the dirty secret of american corporate law enforcement is that we have outsourced and privatized