we're back with lanny davis, jennifer stefano, and mark simone. ny, let me begin with you. now that they've fingered wilkins, several people have, what advice would you give them? >> even the chairman, the republican chairman did not say larry, you're incorrigible. they said the office -- someone in the office there are 1500 people and now you're fingering someone who wasn't fingered by anyone. you just made that up. so please, let's at least stick to the facts. you're my old friend. you're better than that. >> no, but i think -- i don't agree. >> well, it's a fact. they never fingered -- the general counsel. they said the office of the general counsel. >> if you read peggy noonan -- i can't spend the whole time on this. but if you read peggy noonan's thing, she said -- i'm going to read this, darn it. this is this guy lerner's senior adviser. okay? and this is the transcript. reque did lerner say whether she agreed or not? "she said it should go to the chief counsel." question, "the irs chief counsel?" answer, "the irs chief counsel." now, that's

lanny davis. you're familiar with this universal of sound. what is important, weaner's explanation or the woman to his side? >> both. we can't be sure how voters will react and anything said definitively i think is premature. number one, his conduct in his behavior indefensible, which he described it. he's showing, i think, the right approach as a crisis manager to recount the pain that he's gone through. but most important, having huma abedin in full disclosure, i've known huma and have great, great feelings towards her. i don't know the congressman that well. huma being there, the way she spoke and about it being okay with her that he's a flawed human being that she's proud that she worked through in mentioning her son, that is a very profound and very painful moment for those of us who are her friend, but i think that it offers him an opportunity to get forgiveness from the voters. i don't know whether there is enough time for that to take place. >> lanny -- >> can i ever a point on that? >> let's bring it into context. let's play huma's s

we have margaret hoover, kevin madden and lannie davis, "crisis deals, five rules for coping with crisisbusiness, politics and life." mr. davis, i'll begin with this question. the idea of veracity, do you believe anthony wiener was not telling the truth when he said there would be more? was that enough to cover this, or was this new behavior that evers him untrustworthy? >> clearly, he warned us ahead of time and as someone who looks at crisis and tries to mitigate harm, that was wise for him. i would like him to address the post-resignation behavior more because that is an issue that would bother voters. without huma being next to him it would be a different conversation. this is a huge, huge, meaningful presence by huma and there will be voters that might be turned off by this, and i'm sure there are. and they have a right to be -- >> but they already said -- >> but there will be people that will find sympathy -- >> of course. haven't we seen it already? kevin madden, they said it's okay. they know what this is. an out growth of the same stuff. i don't condone it but looking at it poli

joining me now with reaction, lanny davis. we have jay secular back with us.of all, safe retreat, it seems eric holder wants to embolden criminals and then shift the burden of proof on to the victims of crime to prove that they tried to -- everything they could do, they have to prove that they tried to retreat before they could defend themselves. do we want do go down that road? >> well, so, sean, first of all these are state law decisions. the attorney general is entitled to his opinion and discuss it but it's state law that controls this. 30 consolidates have stand your ground rules of some type and vary state to state but that's basically the basic concept. number two, the problem as you mentioned is burden shifting and that is if someone's using self-defense as a defense in their case, sometimes the burden becomes on the individual to show that there was a safe route out. with the stand your ground laws do is if you're attacked you can respond. so, i think that, you know, kind of blaming this tragedy -- this was a tragedy. no matter what side of case you'r