. -- time mike: what about lanny davis?n: sidney blumenthal writing crazy letters is juicy and gives you a window into how much tension there was between clinton and obama early. forerms of the politics, most voters, this does not get to the questions the fbi is getting at. it will not hurt her. i do not think it solves the problem or makes a worse. mike: the e-mails are not the problems, other than the embarrassment factor. you never want your or my e-mails released the way these are. the way it has been handled, we the way this yesterday, hillary clinton handles e-mails remind so many people of "let's not go back there." john: your favorite was lanny davis. tell us. mike: he is a longtime clinton acolytes in washington. he is begging hillary clinton to say something or anything nice about him in a magazine piece on his lawen in n firm. it is her rent this. horrendous.s john: would you say it is a unctuous? mike: if i knew what that meant. ♪ we have two guests tonight. from des moines and san francisco, guys, you have been

women voters to lanny davis on that and whether hillary and surrogates should be worried. e you worried, lanny? >> can you hear me? >> yes, i can. i am not worried. that was lanny davis in washington. you're looking at this -- i'm kidding. you're looking at this and saying this too shall pass. that was essentially the gist of our last conversation. >> i'm sorry, i was so entransed by people who have this -- neil: in other words this free fall she's experiencing isn't going to go on forever, the people take a good look at her, size her up against the bernie sanders, potentially the joe bidens and realize she's the real mccoy? >> yes, but she is the real mccoy, and this is september before january and february when the elections begin, and historically, your two prior guests, excuse me for not being focused, i was trying wonder how can they predict anything given past history. who is the leading candidate at this stage over the last four, 8, 16, 24? you get my point? neil: you are right, we had the herman cain love affair at this juncture, the michele bachmann love affair. >>

you heard lanny davis.is the procedure touch run it up the flag pole, it was an aide, not bill clinton directly. not a problem to ask if you can give a speech. >> reporter: that's what the clinton camp told me. the idea that the former president's office brought to the state department even the possibility that he would deliver a paid speech to the national iranian american council which has been seen as the lobbying arm for tehran. they denied that. but they publicly called for the end of all u.s. sanctions against tehran. this was in june of 2012. what happened in july of 2012? hillary clinton's top aides started meeting secretly with iranian diplomats about paving the way to the iran nuclear deal anding sanctiono -- and ending sanctions against iran. for her spouse lobbying the state department and on the officers while she is secretary of state raises questions that are uncomfortable for the campaign. and speech requests involving a group tied to north korea. the democratic republic of congo. its seems

. >> lanny davis, white house special council and contributor to the hill. what's the truth? >> this is akin to a he said/she said situation. hillary clinton said she didn't say it and her deer tractors say she did. it's likely we'll never know the full truth. in the presidential race, there was bit are bad blood between the clinton and obama campaigns. >> the co-chair, who happens to be the senator of senator jeanne shaheen also wondered if obama had once sold drugs. prior to the comment, a volunteer had to step down from the clinton campaign after the coordinator sent an e-mail saying obama was a muslim. then there was a photo of obama in clothing worn by muslims that appeared on the "drudge report" in february of 2008. that was attributed to clinton campaign sources. the clinton campaign denied being a source of the photograph and it was never determined that the campaign was the source it have. clinton did no favors to herself when she was asked during a "60 minutes" interview in 2008 if she thought senator obama was a muslim. >> you don't believe senator obama is a musli

and i want -- it will take a short time, but i want to make sure that james carville and lanny davis understands. whoever has lawful possession of any information relating to the national defense, i'll get to the rest later. notice she said i never received or saw anything marked classified. that would be bad enough. it doesn't have to be marked anything if it is relating to national offense. i'm reading the espionage law. she didn't have to have specific knowledge or intent. gross negligence, removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust or to be lost, stolen, extracted or destroyed. this is a felony statute. now, sean, the u.s. attorney has not said a damn thing. there ought to be a grand jury impanelled. i'm glad they're investigating, it's not enough. where is the u.s. attorney general? silent, not a word. we have had u.s. prosecutor s appointed on a lot less than this. the united states justice department under the president is in full cover-up mode. probably some civil servant patriotic citizens are trying to do something, but this re

lanny davis, executive vice president at levic and a former special skoun sill in the clinton adds administrationna navarro. who works for jeb bush and other presidential candidates. carson and trump tied, carly fiorina in third. plus 66% of iowa caucus goers say they want their next president to be a governmentout outsider. what does it say that over half of the electorate want candidates with zero washington experience? >> i think it speaks volumes considering the last two election cycles where you had gop insiders or establish event politicos out there who were fighting against obama care, fighting against am necessary nest hey and spending and they did nothing of the above. they sat there and capitulated to everything this administration wanted. now we have an opportunity to choose individuals who run outside the game and who can make a difference. >> as we have been talking about these people, a lot of them are floundering, the hopefuls and the front runners. we understand scott walker, some of his campaign supporters might be having second thoughts. what do established candidates do? >> iow

i want to make sure that james carville and lanny davis can understand what i'm saying. section 793 of the federal penal code. whoever being entrusted with or having lawful possession of. they didn't say send or receive. in lawful possession or control of any information relating to the national defense -- i'll get to the rest later. notice she said i never received or saw anything marked classified. that would be bad enough. it doesn't have to be marked anything if it is relating to national defense. i'm reading from the espionage act. through gross negligence. that is she didn't have to have specific knowledge or intent. gross negligence permits the same degree removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust or to be lost, stolen, extracted or destroyed. and there is a fine. this is a felony statute. now, sean, the u.s. attorney has not said a damn thing. there ought to be a grand jury impanelled. i'm glad the criminal side of the fbi is investigating. it's not enough. where is the u.s. attorney general? silent, not a word. we'

. >> lanny davis, executive vice president at lefic and former white house special counsel. thank you for being here. what do you make of the super pac's attempts to link sanders to corbyn's views? >> first, this points to why bernie says no super pacs and why we're not taking super pac support at all, and why we would support legislation that would get rid of them altogether. billionaires in politics doesn't work for working people. the clinton campaign should apologize for those attacks, correct the record, is not on the record, they're way off. and that's why you saw the response today from our campaign. >> lenny, as you know, super pacs and campaigns don't coordinate, they don't work together, but how should the clinton campaign approach this? >> i'd like to speak for myself. i'm here as a friend, long time from law school. i'm not an official, i'm not a surrogate. i'm speaking for myself. i am very disappointed and strongly disagree in the substance of what correct the record has done. i rely on correct the record when they tell me facts about votes, record, what is a f

the old -- you talk about president clinton, that's different from some of the old strategy of lanny davisget it out. do the interview, the second interview. leave it so there's no more questions to answer. >> she's making herself so limited availability. and when she first started off she was barely answering any questions when she was doing -- i'm talking to regular voters, but was barely answering any questions shouted to her at the press. andrea mitchell's interview with h her, she said she felt like she had to cut it off from that because they felt like they were going to cut off the interview if they asked too many questions about the e-mail scandal. >> they went really in-depth. >> and they did. there are a lot more things that the clinton campaign would rather be talking about than the e-mail scandal but when you make yourself so limited availability -- >> do you want to do this kind of interview, the law, who you would want on the supreme court? certain campaigns don't even want to do a substantive interview. then when they show up somewhere and get battered and they say why are y

it will be lanny davis. two things, this is natural contraction, right?obody ever stays prohibitive favorite. >> fair enough. >> and bernie sanders being a legitimate proxy for the left voice much the party and biden being a proxy because he's not even in the race. people don't know his positions. it's just showing what we always thought it would be, a huge margin. what do you say to lanny? >> the truth is, this is significant softening. it's really a significant softening. even the democratic activists, they think they're going to fall in line but they're not happy about it. >> look at you biting trump's lines. he doesn't have the energy. >> she's sort of slow. but truly that's what you see in the numbers, you see the enthusiasm gap. you don't see the energy. you see bernie sanders doing extraordinary things like going to liberty university and speaking to the heart of the evangelical electorate on the social conservative side. how are we going to care for our fellow neighbors? there's a great article from a liberty university kid who's supporting bernie